Odd Grey Tree Frog Symptoms

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Hello everyone,

A few days ago the largest of my Grey's started behaving oddly. It appeared to have no control over its left arm. Also, its pupils dont dilate- they are constantly small slits. He's now moving around fine but his eyes still aren't dilating (see pic). Anyone know what this means?


 

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What do you mean exactly he is has no control over his arm? Also have you tried placing him in a dark place and then in a light place to see if his pupils change shape?
 

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What do you mean exactly he is has no control over his arm? Also have you tried placing him in a dark place and then in a light place to see if his pupils change shape?
His left arm was limp - basically dead weight.
And I've checked his pupils in day and night and they seem to be no different.
 

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Hmmm, is his left arm better now? One thing that comes to mind is that maybe he injured his left limb somehow, but i think it may have to do something with his nervous system. By the looks of his eyes and them not dilating makes me think a possible seizure occurred or something is blocking some synapse in the brain/neurons. First tell me what the conditions of his cage where before the symptoms first occured and how long ago it was since you changed the water and the condition of the water? Hope he/she starts getting better.
 

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I too think it's a nervous system issue - the limp arm in combination with the involuntary narrowing of the pupils seem too coincidental for it to be anything else. However as to what caused this, it's anyone's guess. I'm not sure if frogs can have strokes but it might be possible - is it an old frog? The other possibility I can think of is disease - some diseases can result in nervous system problems, but the disease is usually apparent long before the frog starts to have nervous system issues.

Regarding the age, the larger the frog (within a gender), the older the frog is, usually.
 

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Yes that's true that a disease could do something like this to a frog. I do know that it is possible for frogs to have seizures occur due to toxins. I can't remember off the top of my head what the technical term for this is, but i know it can be caused by toxins in their water dish. Not only that, but the toxins can be from too much urea to some heavy metal. And the end result is similar to a stroke in a human, with blindness and/or loss of movement of limbs etc. I feel bad for this little frog.:(
 

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Have you got a photo of the vivarium? I actually got a pair of Grays yesterday (collected a female on her way to a pond, and a male calling at a pond).
 

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Here's a pic of their home. I've been using store-bought spring water for their dish.
 

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Thanks for posting that. What size tank is that and what are the plants? Do they have a water area? Ever try to breed them? Also, what do you do about the loudness of the males?
 

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This is my male (photo was taken before I grabbed him off his tree).

 

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Do you have any vivarium photos from the front as well please?
 

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The tank is just a standard 10 gal. The plants include two "spider plants", something from petsmart, and moss from my backyard. There's a water dish in the back center of the tank. As for breeding and/or calling noise, they're only 1.5 years old (I think it takes 2 years?) and haven't reached maturity yet, but I would like to try breeding them once they get there.

Pic from the front...
 

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Nice tank! What do you feed them?
 

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They were raised on fruit flies when they were too small to eat anything else. Nowadays they get mostly crickets with an occasional waxworm every once in a while.
 

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they're only 1.5 years old (I think it takes 2 years?) and haven't reached maturity yet,

Hi bred mine this year they aren't one yet the female that bred was captive bred last year2008:eek: masses of spawn if you feed them well no problem ;) hope youare successful breeding them.
 
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