Pics of taricha granulosa

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Found six of these yesterday around a pond near my house took my phone back today to get some pics and only found this guy
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I'm pretty sure they are granulosa not torosa because he is curling his tail in the unken reflex... But a second opinion on that would be greatly appreciated
 

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That guy is really dark. It might be rivularis. It's definitely not torosa, but 'unken' has nothing to do with that. Torosa have a pale under-eye line, and the margin between ventral and dorsal coloration is very blurry. Granulosa have dark eyeliner, and a very sharp margin.

Rivularis, however, are usually very dark where torosa and granulosa are more mud-brown. You're also within range for rivularis.
 

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Good to know I was reading about the tail curling thing last night
Other than the darker coloring is there a way to tell the Rivularis from the granulosa? Also how Likely would it be that they are hanging out in the same pond together?
 

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They are T. granulosa, rivularis have black eyes (no gold in the iris) and are pretty uncommon that far north.
 

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Thanks, Perry. If that's the case, those are dark granulosa! They're pretty. I've always wanted some rivularis.
 

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Thanks guys I went back down to the pond today and there are egg clusters everywhere
 

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Nice pics. Do they ever do the unken in captivity?
 

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Not really but the two that I have are still juvenile they are pretty fearless
 

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Thanks for the great photos!

I just wanted to say that my Taricha granulosas ( see attached pics) come in a range of colors: from almost black on top to very light brown on top. The two juveniles I have pictured are actually siblings raised from the same batch of eggs (same mother), yet they have quite different shading. Its interesting how different they can be...which is one reason I think people have difficulty with identification.

But I agree with others here, yours look like T. granulosas to me!
 

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