Tylotoriton V. :Growth trouble or gender difference?

baimoth

New member
Joined
Sep 25, 2014
Messages
13
Reaction score
1
Points
0
Location
Korea
Country
South Korea
Hello
I purchased 2 Verrucosus light variants 2 months ago in an aquarium store which had no idea of newts. They were very thin and kept in a very poor conditioned tank.
They were fully terrestrial ,but I decided to make them fat first, then put them in the water. It's been a week since I got rid of the land part. The big one just adapted to the aquatic environment yesterday and the small one is still working on it. It is still floating, but eats well and tries to to put his head into water as much as possible.

The size and appearance of the two were quite different as you can see in the pictures. At first, I thought they look different just because of the sex, but now I have different idea.
What concerns me is that it seems the small one had some kind of growth trouble. His jaw power is too weak to snap the food. He used to always lower his head down on the ground.
it doesn't look like his cloaca hasn't even developed yet, assuming the two are same ages.
I want to hear some opinions from you people.

Sorry about the poor grammar and word choices.
 

Attachments

mr cyclone

Member
Joined
Mar 14, 2010
Messages
557
Reaction score
23
Points
18
Location
Edinburgh Scotland
Country
Scotland
Continue to feed them,and stop handling them.they will no doubt be stressed, to me their cloaca looks fine ,keep feeding them and offer them sufficient places to hide , i look forward to more photos in a month or two
 

Chinadog

Super Moderator
Staff member
Joined
May 8, 2013
Messages
2,685
Reaction score
64
Points
48
Location
Chesterfield, England
Country
England
I was given some T. verrucosus by a friend last year. All were larvae apart from one that morphed at a very small (30mm) size. Although mine are the dark variant the small morph looked a lot like the one you have there and really struggled for a while, It became thinner and thinner up to a point where I almost gave up, but it did recover and is now the only male in my group of adults, so don't give up hope!
I've since spoken to a few T. verr owners and it does seem that males can often be much slower to grow than females, to a point where all the young that make it to maturity are female. Its just anecdotal and there are many contradictions regarding the care and raising of this species, probably due to differing conditions across their huge distribution range, but it seems more than coincidence.
 

baimoth

New member
Joined
Sep 25, 2014
Messages
13
Reaction score
1
Points
0
Location
Korea
Country
South Korea
Updates.

The small one finally fully adapted to aquatic! He still likes to float, but he occasionally dives and eager to find foods on the bottom when I feed. His/her cloaca is flat though.





 

baimoth

New member
Joined
Sep 25, 2014
Messages
13
Reaction score
1
Points
0
Location
Korea
Country
South Korea
Need help guys. The big one aggressively fanned to the other one which was an attempt of courtship. Of course, the other male/female didn't respond.

2 days later, the big one wouldn't go into water and became lethargic. At first I thought he was on impaction, but that idea went away after he took a large poop. He doesn't show any external injury or infection.

Is it possible to be lethargic and goes to land part after courtship attempt? Or is it a internal disease which I must take care of?
 

Chinadog

Super Moderator
Staff member
Joined
May 8, 2013
Messages
2,685
Reaction score
64
Points
48
Location
Chesterfield, England
Country
England
I haven't seen aggression between my ones, they do sometimes bite each other by mistake at feeding time, but other than that they get along just fine.
The article in Caudata Culture says the lighter coloured strains are often more terrestrial than the dark ones like mine. Has anything changed in their tank, a drop in temperature, or shorter day length, maybe?

http://www.caudata.org/cc/species/Tylototriton/T_verrucosus.shtml
 

baimoth

New member
Joined
Sep 25, 2014
Messages
13
Reaction score
1
Points
0
Location
Korea
Country
South Korea
Oh, I meant aggressively to imply that he fanned his tail so hard for the courtship.:tongue:
Well, the temperature went decrease to 17 celcius during the night for several days, but the other is still in the water. I suspect of internal infection or disease now. He is still lethargic and greatly lost his appetite. I don't know what to do since I couldn't diagnose the problem. All I did is I soaked him in Furan-2 and erythromycin diffused water .
 

Attachments

Rupert

New member
Joined
May 25, 2015
Messages
87
Reaction score
3
Points
0
Location
Seoul
Country
South Korea
Display Name
Rupert
Oh, I meant aggressively to imply that he fanned his tail so hard for the courtship.:tongue:
Well, the temperature went decrease to 17 celcius during the night for several days, but the other is still in the water. I suspect of internal infection or disease now. He is still lethargic and greatly lost his appetite. I don't know what to do since I couldn't diagnose the problem. All I did is I soaked him in Furan-2 and erythromycin diffused water .
The light-skinned patch on his abdomen in the picture.... is that normal(as in, is that apparent on the other side of the abdomen)? Or is it an irregularity?
 

Chinadog

Super Moderator
Staff member
Joined
May 8, 2013
Messages
2,685
Reaction score
64
Points
48
Location
Chesterfield, England
Country
England
The light-skinned patch on his abdomen in the picture.... is that normal(as in, is that apparent on the other side of the abdomen)? Or is it an irregularity?
The juveniles I have nearly always have irregular light splodges around their throats and bellies. I will try and get a picture of it later on at worm time.
 
General chit-chat
Help Users
  • No one is chatting at the moment.
  • Lanalotl:
    Hi I recently rescued a lotl (i did weeks of research before rescuing) Hes mabey 5 or 6 years of age..the previous owner could not remember the exact age of him. I got him from her as he was or had been picked on by his tank mate another lotl who was bough with him from every younger age, I noticed one of his gills, a middle one at the end had split in two? And is slightly more floppy? He also appears or mabey I'm just over worried to mabey have lost some feathers, is that normal to lose some?...all levels in the tank are fine, but wondered if theres and advice anyone could give me as an experienced owner to a new one.
    +1
    Unlike
  • Axolotl Queen:
    @Lanalotl Sounds like the gills may have been nipped by the tank mate. If he is in his own tank and the parameters etc are all good, then he should grow them back and they should go back to full health and strength. However, depending on how old the injury is they may not fully grow back if they have been constantly nipped at.
    +2
    Unlike
  • Smknmom421:
    Can anyone tell me why this is happening? We just did a water change and after freaking out and whipping around the tank, an hour later they look like this. It won't let me send a pic. The edges of their gills are white and it looks like they have skin shedding off
    +1
    Unlike
  • Murk:
    That sounds like severe skin damage. If you post a thread on the forum, you can attach pictures.
    +1
    Unlike
  • Murk:
    It sounds like something went wrong with the water change, so this could be very dangerous. Did you use a dechlorinator? Could it be there are traces of chlorine or soap in the water? (Or for example, in the bucket you used?)
    +1
    Unlike
  • Murk:
    Normally, I would recommend taking them out of the tank asap and putting them in a tub with fresh water, but if there's something wrong with your tap water or dechlorinator, that might not help either. Do you have acces to bottled water or rain water?
    +1
    Unlike
  • Sal22:
    I think my axie is dying, he’s never had any issues before, I’ve had him 3 years, today I noticed some fluffy looking stuff coming from his genital area so I took him out of his tank and did a full tank clean to make sure the water wasn’t infected as I thought it was fungus and then I noticed he had a cut on his belly which was only small about 5 hours ago and now it’s spread to all of his belly, what do I do I’m freaking out
    +1
    Unlike
  • Sal22:
    Update about my axie, unfortunately he has died over night, he looked as if he was bruised allover his belly, his mucus layer had also started to come off.
    +1
    Unlike
  • Ganaa:
    Anyone here from DMV?
    +1
    Unlike
  • Unlike
  • AlexisJG:
    Hi I have 2 4in juveniles (I’ve had them about 2 weeks and they are doing well I think they’ve grown a little already honestly) but I am supposed to go on a 5-6 day vacation in October about 3-4 months from now. I am wondering how I should go about their care when I am gone. I thought about putting them in separate (fairly big) containers with live plants and/or bubblers with a fan in the dark and either fridging them (my last plan) but I am hoping to to either have someone I trust come feed them and turkey baste waste out or just leave them out and clean the containers before we leave and have someone come check on them once or twice. Does any of this sound like a good or bad idea? I want the best for them. All help appreciated :)
    +1
    Unlike
  • Ganaa:
    @patrickstar116, do you still have your fire salamanders?
    +1
    Unlike
  • patrickstar116:
    @Ganaa, I do you may message me if you wish
    +1
    Unlike
  • HalfDrunkToast:
    hi.....
    +1
    Unlike
  • JDeslippe21:
    Hi, so I have 2 male axolotls and about an hour ago they were both perfectly fine and now only one of them has his tail curling up and his gills are slightly curled?? But other than that they’re both acting normally
    +1
    Unlike
  • Murk:
    Could be he's just excited, spooked or temporarily stressed, which could pass in a few hours. It could also be an indicator of other problems. Do you have any recent water parameters?
    +1
    Unlike
  • AlexisJG:
    Does anyone have any idea how to help with high ammonia levels? I have the API freshwater master kit and everything else’s test results were great besides ammonia. I did a 50% water change and I use API products including ammonia lock.
    +1
    Unlike
  • MuggleMiChu:
    Help! I got my first axolotl two days ago and they have stopped eating. They ate a few frozen blood worms the first day and haven’t eaten or been interested in food since. I feed them frozen blood worms and the tank is around 64 degrees. I do have a filter that moves sometimes and I noticed them swimming up to it, I have a new filter and a fan coming today or tomorrow. I leave the worms in the tank or a little bit before taking them out so I don’t know if they ate when I wasn’t looking. I know it takes a while for them to digest. Does anyone have any tips or knowledge they can share? The pet store I bought them from didn’t have gravel or sand in the tank so I’m not sure if theres an issue or if I’m just impatient. Thank you!
    +1
    Unlike
  • HalfDrunkToast:
    @MuggleMiChu, how big they are? also for substrate, i would not do gravel at all I would either do sand or none at all!
    +1
    Unlike
  • MuggleMiChu:
    They are about 2-3 inches long and I have them in a bare bottom tank
    +1
    Unlike
  • HalfDrunkToast:
    @MuggleMiChu I would say try live black/blood worms untell they are full or just turn there head away ( that's what mine do) if that does not work try to get some live brine shrimp and see if they eat that. baby axolotl prefer live food over frozen food as the frozen food is too cold for them or they can't eat it in one go( that's if you do the blocks) mine eat chopped up frozen thawed shrimp. as for them not eating from what I have experienced with my second axolotl, I got her when she was about an inch long and she ate every day, when they start getting 3-4 inches long they will gradually slow down there eating. and if you really want to do substrate I would do sand because if they do ingest a little bit it won't hurt them.
    +1
    Unlike
  • MuggleMiChu:
    Thank you so much for the information and advice! They are eating again, they ate a lot today. I think it might have been stress from the move or digesting old food, I also noticed they ate some of the food left in the tank (I removed the rest). I’m going to keep the tank bare bottom.
    +2
    Unlike
  • HalfDrunkToast:
    @MuggleMiChu,your so welcome im glad to be of help! and I'm glad that they are eating as well!
    +1
    Unlike
  • Chat Bot:
    AidanD has left the room.
    +1
    Unlike
    Chat Bot: AidanD has left the room. +1
    Top