Tylototriton kweichowensis/sp

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Today we've bought 4 Tylo's from a fellow fanatic on a yearly gathering of the Dutch salamander and newt association here in the Netherlands. They're called kweichowensis, but they're a bit too big. The biggest is about 18 cm long.


 

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These type of animals have been very widespread in the market recently. It´s adviced to classify them as Tylototriton cf. kweichowensis as the species is not clear. Until the taxonomy of these animals is investigated they should be kept away from known T.kweichowensis and considered something else tentatively.
Anyway, they look very good, good luck!
 
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I picked up a group of seven at the Daytona expo. All were obviously WC. I picked the seven best. Immediately after getting them back to the room I placed them in a cooler with a cold pack. When I got them home I put them under quarantine. They started dying quickly.The last one died today. I am not sure what they are but they are definitely much more difficult to acclimate than standard kweichows in my experience.I hope that yours do well.
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I They started dying quickly.The last one died today. I am not sure what they are but they are definitely much more difficult to acclimate than standard kweichows in my experience.I hope that yours do well.
Chip
This also happened with some Tylototriton imports a few years ago. At that time I guessed the problems were mostly from improper care in importing. Sometimes when reptile and tropical frog people import or bring salamanders to shows they keep them to much like the warm loving animals and not like cool loving salamanders. When the imports come in it is best to get them as soon as possible so they don't bounce around with improper care. This is just a guess as to what happened.

Most often Tylototriton prove to be hardy animals.
 

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I have had no problem acclimating animals from this batch [which included shanjing and taliangensis] nor previous ones. Those without obvious skin lesions go straight outside into a cage with deep leaf litter and a large water basin, and there they stay until the frosts become frequent.
 

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I allready thought it was a subspecie, because of it's size. The man we bought it from also mentioned that they're not really kweichowensis, but he thinks they're a subspecie of kweichowensis. They're WC of course and they were originally sold by Tropenparadies Oberhausen. They're now a couple of years in Europe.

Many of the imported Tylo species get skin diseases or (roughly translated) mouth rot and arrive here in an unhealthy state. I also guess it's because of the bad conditions while being imported. The ones that make it though, prove to be strong creatures, which are doing well in the hobby.

I know a couple of people who keep this subspecie, but none of them could breed them. I hope this will change in the future. I'm not really a Tylo fanatic myself, but these little giants stole my heart right away. They're curious and they often come out of their hidingplaces.

We're keeping them in a tank with 50% water 50% land, because it's still a mysterie where they dispatch the eggs end where/if they have their courtship. They feed on earthworms, crickets and an occasional waxworm. We keep them on dirt (coming from a forrest with oaktrees) and they can choose how wet/dry they're going to sit.

If they're others who have obtained this subspecie I would really like to know how they're keeping them or if they've succeed in breeding them. I can allways use good advice!
 

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This also happened with some Tylototriton imports a few years ago. At that time I guessed the problems were mostly from improper care in importing. Sometimes when reptile and tropical frog people import or bring salamanders to shows they keep them to much like the warm loving animals and not like cool loving salamanders. When the imports come in it is best to get them as soon as possible so they don't bounce around with improper care. This is just a guess as to what happened.

Most often Tylototriton prove to be hardy animals.
I have to admit that a big part of me was wondering about how wise it was to buy WC salamanders in August in Florida. I reasoned that they would have just as good a chance with my experience however compared to being purchased by some random kid. It also helped that I pretty much got them for wholesale. In any case I just hate it for the salamanders, it is never fun to watch animals die in quick succession. Again Niels yours look good so hopefully they will acclimate well for you.
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AW: Re: Tylototriton kweichowensis/sp

This Type I nourish and cherish about 15 years and I have beautiful offspring. I consider them for Kweichowensis, ca 50 larvas are in the water,
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That's just great. Some peopel thought it could be an infertile hybrid. like a fantasy frog. How big are your animals? Also between 12 and 18 centimeters? I really hope that we have the same type so breeding will be an option for the animals here.
 

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Hey amigo, your Tylos are very nice!!
 

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Am i right in thinking that the first picture shows a T.kweichowensis and a T.cf.kweichowensis? If that´s the case the offspring would be hybrids, which is exactly what was intended to be prevented by the label.
If i saw that wrong, well then, congrats, that´s an achievement, but if they are indeed from different populations, that´s bad news...
 

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On the site of Tropenparadies they were sold as Tylototriton spec. nov.. So they're sold as as subspecie. I don't care if I need to call them T. kweichowensis or T. whoopeldywheepeldywhomptiedom though, so Tylototriton sub specie it is.

In any case I really love the fact that they're much larger than kweichowensis, so I really hope I can breed them.
 

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Am i right in thinking that the first picture shows a T.kweichowensis and a T.cf.kweichowensis? If that´s the case the offspring would be hybrids, which is exactly what was intended to be prevented by the label.
If i saw that wrong, well then, congrats, that´s an achievement, but if they are indeed from different populations, that´s bad news...
That seems likely, now that I look at it. I would expect to see SOME variation in both forms, such that the odd one would look like the other. But that particular one looks TOO much like typical T.kweichowensis.
 

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My two original kweichowensis from 6 years ago look VERY different than the recent colony I purchased.They also mostly act different.They are far more aggressive feeders than my original two.There eyes look a little different to me as well.a bit more bug eyed somehow. Mine are not bigger,except for one that IS a monster.Attractive animals for sure, but not the orange beauties my originals are.Sadly one of my originals recently died, of old age I suspect.It was slowing down and having trouble chasing food.
 

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Several of the seven that I purchased had very interesting patterns. I wish that I had taken pics. One had very tiny warts compared to the others, it almost looked like an Echinotriton. Another actually had a double row of tiny warts on each side. Very neat.
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AW: Re: Tylototriton kweichowensis/sp

Azhael, no Hybrits at all. It was for the picture. I bought them 15 years ago in a petshop and they told me they were from the same source like the "standard"Kweichowensis.
Niels, If they are old enough, both reach nearly the same size.In the water period the orange is very bright,
 

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You've got really beautifull animals. I've got almost the same setting as yours. I've got them inside at this moment though. Next spring I will put them outside. I never thought they were such a feroucious eaters. At first I fed them with tweezers, but now I feed them by hand. Oh man, they regularly hang on to my fingers this way. Little monsters. Especially the male, who is much smaller.

Ummi, thanks for the great tips. I hope I will follow you in your footsteps! ;)
 

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Beautiful animals. I've seen them in at the persons place where you bought them from. I want this specie to, but first I'm building my salamander shed
 

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The second picture is inevitable a Tylototriton shanjing. The orange head and limbs proves it 100% accurately. Peter Umminger sure does have amazing and stunning looking animals and I've had all the pleasure to deal with him in the past and sure hope to do in a near future. I've had the chance to have a few of these captive breed by himself.

Pictures of these amazing animals as follows. These are surely not T. kweichowensis as well. Some kind of subspecies yet to be described. T. cf. kweichowensis













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