Please help (ASAP) (axolotl has been in a fight - now not eating..)

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I was away last week and in that time my axy must of been in a fight with its ''mates''. when i saw him yesterday his front leg had been munched on - but it wasnt a clean break. the bone was still there. No flesh at all. Anyway its now been amputated but he has lost a HUGE amount of weight in just a single week. (i guess thats when he / why he stopped eating) he has been sperated, but is looking awful. he isnt eatign and i dont know what to do, i can see his ribs and all. please help. he wouldnt eat life food/frozen food when i tried a while back, so he is living on fish food which he loves, btu he wont eat it now. Gina the blak chubby one is him
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and now - obviouly it how dosnt have the leg. it was cut - just were the flesh is.. also his gills are completely turned inwards...
 
please 9 people have looked - bu no suggestions?
 
Judging by its appearance this happened more than a couple of days ago and that's probably the main issue - it has been in this condition long enough to develop secondary problems - the weight loss is quite severe. I think your best bet right now is "fridging" (documented all over this forum) for a few days. During those few days if it were my axolotl and I was very worried I would get all of the antibiotic information from here, print it out and take it and the axolotl to an amphibian-savvy vet (a very rare thing), assuming the axolotl hasn't started eating again within a few days.
 
Additionally, you say you're feeding 'fish food'. Depending on what kind of fish food, this may not be an appropriate choice for axolotls anyway. I suggest offering it some wiggly earthworms.
 
Judging by its appearance this happened more than a couple of days ago and that's probably the main issue - it has been in this condition long enough to develop secondary problems - the weight loss is quite severe. I think your best bet right now is "fridging" (documented all over this forum) for a few days. During those few days if it were my axolotl and I was very worried I would get all of the antibiotic information from here, print it out and take it and the axolotl to an amphibian-savvy vet (a very rare thing), assuming the axolotl hasn't started eating again within a few days.

it definately happened within the last 5 days when I wasn't around, because i've been doing water changes etc every day so would have noticed. he has started to eat again, although not having proper fills of his food, he's at least making improvements. the amphibian vet i spoke to said to amputate any remaining exposed bone and then fridging it, which we have done, along with salt baths as recommended. his breathing seems to have slowed down a lot, and will only breathe more regularly when disturbed. we were told that they tend to slow down a fair bit when trying to heal themselves. does that sound about right?
 
Additionally, you say you're feeding 'fish food'. Depending on what kind of fish food, this may not be an appropriate choice for axolotls anyway. I suggest offering it some wiggly earthworms.

have tried earthworms and bloodworms but they don't seem to eat it. I have heard about beef heart though, has anyone tried it? does it have to be cooked first?
 
Beef heart should be fed raw and is fine as a treat, or in this case to try and get him eating again. But they often won't eat or eat very little in the fridge at lower temperatures ie below 10 degrees. And sometimes they'll eat then regurgitate it.
 
Beef heart should be fed raw and is fine as a treat, or in this case to try and get him eating again. But they often won't eat or eat very little in the fridge at lower temperatures ie below 10 degrees. And sometimes they'll eat then regurgitate it.

ok thank you.
This is i have lowered his temps so he heals - but i need himto eat... annoying.

ill get some beef heart when i get back.
 
I genuinely feel for you here, i know how much of a worry these little fellas can cause when not eating, My awkward little girl Neurus went 13 full weeks without eating anything.
I can offer a list of perfectly edible foods for axies and hopefully you will find something out of these that he will accept..
Firstly the smelleys
yes beefheart is edible raw when cut into strips, as a rule aim for earthworm shape and size pieces. So is lambs liver (kiro my melanoid male can smell this even outside of the water and will pounce up through the water surface to get it he loves it that much.) sometimes mine get a piece of lamb from the roast on a sunday. Raw bacon (unsmoked) is ok as a rare treat. These are the smelley ones that will generally attract attention. Prawns are another rare one defrosted asda cooked prawns seem perfectly acceptable by mine.

Ok wrigglys.
obviously earthworms, Bloodworm, whiteworm, blackworm, waxworms (larvae of waxmoths) garden slugs and snails (either crush the shell and remove or watch to see if he sucks it straight out of the shell, Even daphnia is accepted most times without even realising.

surface strugglers.
stage 3 locusts (pre wing) and importantly remove the two larger back legs as they have a spikey ridge. Crickets once again pre wing, woodlice (referred to as slaters in the USA)


and swimmers.
Guppies are an obvious and easy one, however worthwhile breeding yourself or quarantine for 30 days before offering. Only put in beforehand as an absolute last resort as any diseases can get passed on. Shrimp can be offered but the shell is not digestable and will be regurgitated by the axie. Goldfish can be offered and the same rule as guppies applies, however keep them small as in rare cases the fish can get caught in the axies throat and will cause further problems.

When Neurus went through her hunger strike it was bloodworm that eventually brought her round to eating again. She also really likes the tail end of locusts, (literally chews it to get all the juicy bits out and then spits out the shell).
Lambs liver oozes out nutrients into the water, now i would strongly believe that these do get into the axie no matter what (neurus's gills used to go bright red when in the water as they do when they eat) but i do not have the knowledge to say if this would be safe with an open wound. Could somebody please comment?
Also nobody has mentioned saltbaths that i can see, surely this would be the primary plan of action with the open wound to prevent infection.
I am sorry but at this moment that is all i can contribute, I know Chester Zoo have a large axolotl section so they would most likely have an expert in that field. Perhaps worth a call if it gets to that point?
All the very best of luck, i hope he gets better soon
 
Neurus Salt baths are really only needed if there is infection or fungus present. Otherwise you are putting the axolotl through more stress when it may be very capable of healing the wound itself if it is healthy apart from the injury and the water condition is good. However Freeky has mentioned he is carrying out salt baths in one of his posts.
 
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I genuinely feel for you here, i know how much of a worry these little fellas can cause when not eating, My awkward little girl Neurus went 13 full weeks without eating anything.
I can offer a list of perfectly edible foods for axies and hopefully you will find something out of these that he will accept..
Firstly the smelleys
yes beefheart is edible raw when cut into strips, as a rule aim for earthworm shape and size pieces. So is lambs liver (kiro my melanoid male can smell this even outside of the water and will pounce up through the water surface to get it he loves it that much.) sometimes mine get a piece of lamb from the roast on a sunday. Raw bacon (unsmoked) is ok as a rare treat. These are the smelley ones that will generally attract attention. Prawns are another rare one defrosted asda cooked prawns seem perfectly acceptable by mine.

Ok wrigglys.
obviously earthworms, Bloodworm, whiteworm, blackworm, waxworms (larvae of waxmoths) garden slugs and snails (either crush the shell and remove or watch to see if he sucks it straight out of the shell, Even daphnia is accepted most times without even realising.

surface strugglers.
stage 3 locusts (pre wing) and importantly remove the two larger back legs as they have a spikey ridge. Crickets once again pre wing, woodlice (referred to as slaters in the USA)


and swimmers.
Guppies are an obvious and easy one, however worthwhile breeding yourself or quarantine for 30 days before offering. Only put in beforehand as an absolute last resort as any diseases can get passed on. Shrimp can be offered but the shell is not digestable and will be regurgitated by the axie. Goldfish can be offered and the same rule as guppies applies, however keep them small as in rare cases the fish can get caught in the axies throat and will cause further problems.

When Neurus went through her hunger strike it was bloodworm that eventually brought her round to eating again. She also really likes the tail end of locusts, (literally chews it to get all the juicy bits out and then spits out the shell).
Lambs liver oozes out nutrients into the water, now i would strongly believe that these do get into the axie no matter what (neurus's gills used to go bright red when in the water as they do when they eat) but i do not have the knowledge to say if this would be safe with an open wound. Could somebody please comment?
Also nobody has mentioned saltbaths that i can see, surely this would be the primary plan of action with the open wound to prevent infection.
I am sorry but at this moment that is all i can contribute, I know Chester Zoo have a large axolotl section so they would most likely have an expert in that field. Perhaps worth a call if it gets to that point?
All the very best of luck, i hope he gets better soon

woooooo, thank you so much! im out 6 in the morn till 6 aat night but ill try to get somone to go to the farm tommorrow - to get some heart.
thank you so much. Gina x

(p.s i had been giving him salt baths - but now his skin is looking a lil sore, so stopped. his leg is looking good - no fugus etc etc , its just his weight i worried about now (and gills)
 
woooooo, thank you so much! im out 6 in the morn till 6 aat night but ill try to get somone to go to the farm tommorrow - to get some heart.
thank you so much. Gina x

(p.s i had been giving him salt baths - but now his skin is looking a lil sore, so stopped. his leg is looking good - no fugus etc etc , its just his weight i worried about now (and gills)

Waxworms make axies pile on the weight like crazy but are not good as a long term diet as the waxworms are raised solely on a diet of honey so they are the equivalent of chocolate to us.
Good luck with the little fella.
On another note i spoke to my petshop who had a recent axie go through the same as yours except it had 2 legs bitten off at once. It went quiet for a while in its separate tank but soon came around to eating again and now has two shiney new legs.
 
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