Sick, need advice!..

[auntiejude]

If you change all water, tank has to cycle again so yes you can change to much. If you have the same things in the tank the good bacteria on it will help the cycling process, but i don't recommend it, especially not with animals in it.

If you do it like her you're talking about well then ammonia never builds up so i can see why that works, she never leta the tank cycle. But what a Incredible wasteful
Thing to do! Using so much water. If you have to for some reason for a while, ok. But as a way of taking care of a tank no.

What complete rubbish.

The cycling bacteria live in the filter, on the substrate and on the ornaments, not in the water. 100% water changes are fine.

Changing water isn't wasteful either, many tank-keepers use the nitrate-rich tank water on their garden or houseplants, because it is full of natural fertiliser.

 

[Boomsloth]

If you change all water, it's a big risk the tank has to cycle again. Mine started over when I did and made so much more work, and not as safe for the animals as it should be.
On all kinds of forums people recommend not to ever do a 100% water change, That it is common for new people to panic and change all the water, but it is likely that it will hurt your axolotls more then just doing smaller water changes often.

If you do it like her you're talking about well then ammonia never builds up so i can see why that works, she never lets the tank cycle. But what a Incredible wasteful thing to do! Using so much water. If you have to for some reason for a while, ok. But as a way of taking care of a tank no.


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It won't recycle your tank, and frankly this error only comes from not fully understanding how the cycle works. If you add chlorinated water you just killed all the bacteria you had for your cycle. A very experienced member on here (who breeds all types of amphibians) doesn't even use filters and just performs water changes as needed without affecting his cycle at all. Unless you live in the desert, there really shouldn't be anything stopping you from always providing the best environment for your pets.

 

[Ai]

Yes experienced people know what they're doing, new people don't. That's why i wouldn't risk it. You have to know who you're giving what advice to.

Cause yes a big water change can damage good bacteria to if you don't know what you're doing. Auntiejude was in the discussion that taught me this for starters. And would take your Word before mine any day. But it can be confusing, a great experienced guy in my town told me basics after a while and just said i shouldn't complicate it as a beginner.

That's all i'm saying. It's a risk if you don't know it all. Would you say that's wrong?


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[leandrah]

Hi Ai,
I think that you are probably confusing Robo even more because your ideology behind not doing the water change is incorrect.

A big water change cannot damage enough of the bacteria IF the water is dechlorinated. Bacteria lives in the filter and on the decorations. Barely any lives in the water.

I do not think that this is confusing at all - its actually pretty simple. You can do as much of a water change as you want as long as the water you are adding in is dechlorinated before adding it in.

Often if the Nitrites are high you need to do a big water change to get them down. I personally think that Robo's Nitrites are incredibly high and that he needs to do a big water change with dechlorinated water.

 

[Kaini]

Cause yes a big water change can damage good bacteria to if you don't know what you're doing.

This is completely incorrect. There is no risk at all. Large water changes don't damage your cycle, period. The beneficial bacteria live in your filter media and on porous surfaces in your tank - as long as you are dechlorinating the water, water changes are not going to affect the cycle.

 

[Ai]

You clearly don't get my point, i rest my case ill finds some links that can explain it better. I'm not saying you're wrong.


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[Kaini]

You clearly don't get my point, i rest my case ill finds some links that can explain it better. I'm not saying you're wrong.


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I am genuinely curious as to what your point is then, have I missed something?

Also, OP, did you say you did a chlorinated water change?? Because that will be what has made your Axie ill... Never use chlorinated water when doing water changes or around aquatic animals in general... chlorine is toxic to them.

I was thinking of doing a 100% water change but with spring water or those bottled betta water they have a petco, is this a good idea? Is it just a coincidence that this happens after I do water changes?

I would not recommend that. That water is a waste of money for one thing, when you could just use dechlorinated tap water.

If you were changing your water with chlorinated water, then no it's not a coincidence, that's what is making your axies ill! Always use aquarium dechlorinator. You can buy it at petco too.

Unless I've missed something...?

 

[Ai]

As a beginner myself for example you can be blind to a lot of things even if you think your doing as you're told.
And some things add a risk and somethings lower it.

Good bacteria in a filter doesn't live forever without oxygen and a big procedure is a bigger risk, it takes longer time especially if you are new.

this is one thing a read ;
'Also, stopping the filter, which almost always has to be done in large water changes is stressful to the biological filter. In most cases, significant die-off in the bacteria bed can occur within the first few hours after the filter is disconnected, and this will result in the tank cycling, or at least partially cycling again once the filter is started again. This cycling process can again be stressful to the fish.'

If you think this is rubbish then ok, a lot of people saying different things as usuall, and who to believe.







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[auntiejude]

this is one thing a read ;
'Also, stopping the filter, which almost always has to be done in large water changes is stressful to the biological filter. In most cases, significant die-off in the bacteria bed can occur within the first few hours after the filter is disconnected, and this will result in the tank cycling, or at least partially cycling again once the filter is started again. This cycling process can again be stressful to the fish.'

The key here is the time involved. I can do a 100% change in my large tank (150L) in an hour - not long enough for the filter bacteria to die off, and if I knew it was going to take longer I would set up my filter in a tub to keep the bacteria happy.

And this is where experience counts. When people come here for advice they often do get conflicting information from different people. Newcomers need to assess who and where the advice they get comes from to decide which bits to follow and which to discard. If it comes from a source with a good reputation and is consistent with other advice its usually pretty reliable, but when you get newcomers trying to advise other newcomer with 'something they read on the internet' it causes problems.

 

[Boomsloth]

The key here is the time involved. I can do a 100% change in my large tank (150L) in an hour - not long enough for the filter bacteria to die off, and if I knew it was going to take longer I would set up my filter in a tub to keep the bacteria happy.

Going by this with a different type of filter. I have a canister which requires me to open it up and take the media out to fix any clogging or maintenance. I put the media in a bucket of tank water for maybe an hour and a half while I have to lug a bucket down the hall to the bathrooms. At most the cycle might take a day or two to get back to full capacity but its not enough of a die off to make ammonia or nitrite at any level to be too worried about. When I had my 120 gallon set up with fish It took a long time to take the water out then put it back in, but never did my cycle crash because of it.

Chlorine on the other hand will kill almost all the bacteria immediately and then that will restart the cycle. I added a small amount of chlorinated water to my guppy tank by mistake and the cycle took 2 weeks to get back to normal.

 

[Ai]

I know to little to comment, that's why i usually never do it, and won't do it again. This was just a lot like a problem i had once and noone here could help. But point taken.

And you just said that a water change actually can damage the good bacteria, so it could have to cycle again. You just confirmed what i said. So y call it rubbish?
You can do it without risk cause you know how to. I learned how because i left my filter for about five hours, and i just happened to mention it so people could Correct me. So yes i know that it can cause damage, not only from 'something i've read on the internet'

Clearly i wasn't wrong, maybe expressed it badly cause english isn't my native language, but not wrong.

But obviously i needed to hear that it was rubbish and that i was wrong period.


Seriously i'm done doing this


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[Boomsloth]

I know to little to comment, that's why i usually never do it, and won't do it again. This was just a lot like a problem i had once and noone here could help. But point taken.

And you just said that a water change actually can damage the good bacteria, so it could have to cycle again. You just confirmed what i said. So y call it rubbish?
You can do it without risk cause you know how to. I learned how because i left my filter for about five hours, and i just happened to mention it so people could Correct me. So yes i know that it can cause damage, not only from 'something i've read on the internet'

Clearly i wasn't wrong, maybe expressed it badly cause english isn't my native language, but not wrong.

But obviously i needed to hear that it was rubbish and that i was wrong period.


Seriously i'm done doing this


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I don't think the idea was to make you feel like you don't know anything, just to either correct or add to what you are saying. We all started with no knowledge on how to care for these creatures and learned and are still learning with research and experience. This site is a community where people can learn from each other sharing experiences and even mistakes to improve the general knowledge.
Water changes are not too hard to do and we are just pointing out that a water change should not take a whole day to accomplish because of the obvious consequences to the bacteria. The most important thing any aquarium keeper should understand is the nitrogen cycle, even if they choose to not have a filter. I have heard from other people who also believed in the no 100% change because its bad idea. Its one of those aquarium myths like goldfish grow to the size of the tank. Its not your fault that the guy told you this but you should always question the reasoning behind his statement.
I've been told I was wrong on this site a few times about other topics and after talking to other users as well as doing research I was able to understand why I was wrong. I am happy they corrected me because all that does is improve me care and knowledge for my pets.

 

[Ai]

I don't think the idea was to make you feel like you don't know anything, just to either correct or add to what you are saying. We all started with no knowledge on how to care for these creatures and learned and are still learning with research and experience. This site is a community where people can learn from each other sharing experiences and even mistakes to improve the general knowledge.
Water changes are not too hard to do and we are just pointing out that a water change should not take a whole day to accomplish because of the obvious consequences to the bacteria. The most important thing any aquarium keeper should understand is the nitrogen cycle, even if they choose to not have a filter. I have heard from other people who also believed in the no 100% change because its bad idea. Its one of those aquarium myths like goldfish grow to the size of the tank. Its not your fault that the guy told you this but you should always question the reasoning behind his statement.
I've been told I was wrong on this site a few times about other topics and after talking to other users as well as doing research I was able to understand why I was wrong. I am happy they corrected me because all that does is improve me care and knowledge for my pets.

Look i didn't mean to start all this so if it would be discussed further it shouldn't be here. Cause yes it just confuses more.

I can see why you didn't understand me, and i have no problem being corrected, i welcome it.
But in this i can't seem to explain what i mean, it's not really about 100% water change or not. But all the focus ended up there. (I see why) And i got frustrated with that, and i felt the attitude got a bit to hard for me.

So sorry, thanks and good luck with everything.