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Ambystoma maculatum

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matt

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Hi,

I'm looking to keep (breed???!) the yellow spotted salamander, which has suddenly appeared at a local petshop.

Two questions (one of which probably ought to be posted elsewhere)...

I'm planning a set-up in my cool room which will be one of those large storage bins used for kiddies toys. (John Clare posted a pciture of one used for juvenile fire sals.)But this will be a bit bigger. I plan to fill it with damp topsoil and leaf-litter to simulate Wetland forest floor... and lots of insects / worms.

Question 1... any criticisms of or feedback from this? For example, a quick search here trawled up a thread between someone who had bred them and JC. Besides giving them seasons (ie cooling)rain simulation was mentioned to stimulate breeding... how could this be done?! If I make drainage holes I'll just have a soup of substrate under the container won't I?

Question 2... I thought I'd replace some of the plastic sides and the lid with the fly screen mesh I love and have plugged here before, which will let some light in. So which plants, going off-topic a little, could I grow in my low-light slice of damp forest floor? Ferns?

Anyone any relevant experience or ideas?


Best//Matt
 
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nate

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Hi Matt. I'd like to say first that I know of no verified breedings of this species. With a little research and emails, claims of breeding turn out to be animals collected migrating to the breeding site or collected at the pond itself. Of course, the animals breed a few days to a few weeks later in captivity. I'm skeptical of "seasons and cooling" as a real method. Though it seems intuitive and sounds good, why has it never worked for any zoo or aquarium? It never worked for me either (or anyone else I know who has tried for that matter), and I had even had animals which had been collected as eggs to avoid pond imprinting. Ed Kowalski can probably go into more detail of the trials and tribulations of trying to breed maculatum.
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Otherwise, your setup sounds great to keep them alive and healthy. I wouldn't worry so much about plants unless you personally want them for aesthetic value. In the wild, spotteds are not living amid the moss and ferns, they are living several inches under it so all you really need to mimic their habitat is moist soil and leaf litter.
Good luck!
 
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edward

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It would be a long whiny post about all of the failures I had trying to get them to breed. The closest I ever got was ovulation in the females and circling behavior in the males (although not in the same year).
Ed
 
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henk

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Hai mole lovers (I am) : in Belgium the A. maculatum has been bred twice under captive con ditions so far, but ... both time this happened in outside enclosures.

I currently am still busy to raise 4 of the about 60 offspring animals that were available
Currently I have setup my own large tank (1 merter by 80 by 80 in order to try and breed them next year (I have a group of 6 animals).
 
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nate

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Hi Henk, a few people have done that here in the states also. I personally don't consider it captive breeding, but I know not everyone agrees with that position.
 
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    Hey guys, its way too hot where I live right now. Temperatures 40 degree celcius outside, making it like 30 degrees inside. Ive got ice packs on my yellow spotted salamanders hidey rock, he acts like he hates it though. Am I keeping him too cold? I think my temp gauge might be messed up, or at least in the wrong spot. I put the tank temp gauge in the top left corner of his large tank, where it says its 80 degrees fahrenheit, which I am aware is too hot, which is what makes me put the ice packs on his rock at the bottom of the cage, but the bottom of his cage feels a lot cooler tha 80 degrees. Should I move my temp gauge down to the bottom corner where he hangs out the most? Should I get a soil temperature probe so I can tell what temperature the soil that hes laying on is?
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    Because his soil is certainly not 80 degrees fahrenheit, and I dont want to freeze the poor bugger with ice packs if he really doesnt need them. Hes been doing fine, but Im just so stressed because I cant get ANy information on how to handle this little guy. Theyre illegal to keep without a permit, but this one would not have survived without my intervention. So I cant call and ask anyone for help. If theres a betetr site than this one, I sure havent found it. But I never get any replies here. We are all just asking questions and getting none answered basically. Its really frustrating as I just want to help this little dude be happy and healthy. All I can get him to eat is potato bugs as well. I cant find anything else that he will eat. Is that even okay? :/ hes been eating strictly those since may first.
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    Does ANYONE know of a site more active than this where I can get my questions answered? My little bud needs help and Im just not getting it here.
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    Alright well I bought a bunch of stuff for his tank and hope it helps. Im getting extremelty frustrated that bI cant get an answer. Guess buddies just gonna have to die or some shit. like wtf why cant I get any help.
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    Second of all, was you who said you wild caught your salamander? And had Authorities threaten to retrieve it from you?
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    Third of all, assuming thats the case, no one seems to want to face the reality that these animals come from climates and microenvironments where they need to be kept cool. If you can't hack, then release it where you pulled it from.
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    he was dying outside. SO SORRY i was nice enough to save him. can i even release him in wetaher thats 40 degree celcius? will he not just die outside because he cant dig through the hard ground?
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    The ONLY reason I spent 500 dollars on this thing was to keep him alive. thats IT. He was completely dry with cracked skin and couldnt walk and I nursed him back to health. Now I should just throw him outside on the hard baked ground where I found him? in my driveway? Really dude?
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    I am losing patienc ebecause I care. Because I cant get any answers in any length of time that will actually benefit him. He'll only eat potato bugs, I just want him to have good rest of his life. Thats IT. So dont act like I went out an dillegally trapped some poor salamander out of the wild for fun cuz I wanted one.
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    I am very sure he was just trying to pass by, because he certainly cant dig ANYWHERE in the soil ANYWHERE near where I live. So I cannot just release him in 40 degree celcius on the super hard baked ground where theres no shelter and no food and now ater to be seen for miles. I dont see how that wioll help him at all.
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