Amphibian's ringer solution

[newtron]

Does anyone know why this is a restricted item on all the commercial websites? According to the msds sheets, none of the ingredients are remotely toxic.

 

[Ed]

You should be able to order it directly from Fisher Scientific.

Ed

 

[Ed]

If the other commercial sites are sites that supply veterninary supplies they may have a blanket restriction on who can purchase from them.

Ed

 

[newtron]

The sites i am trying to order from are not affiliated with vets. They are purely scientific supply stores.

 

[Otterwoman]

How close is human LR, could it possibly be easily altered to accomodate amphibians, anyone know?
Here's the recipe for human LR, per 100 ml:
600 mg NaCl
310 mg Sodium lactate
30 mg Potassium Chloride
20 mg calcium chloride
pH 6.5

the link to the amphibian ringer's recipe

http://www.caudata.org/cc/articles/bloatEDK.shtml


(quote from above)

*Amphibian Ringer's Solution
Amphibian Ringer's is made by thoroughly mixing the following in one liter of distilled/reverse osmosis or deionized water:
Sodium chloride (NaCl) 6.6 grams
Potassium chloride (KCl) 0.15 grams
Calcium chloride (CaCl2) 0.15 grams
Sodium bicarbonate (NaHCO3) 0.2 grams

 

[herpvet]

Hi Dawn,

Just a note that there are arguments against use of lactated solutions in herps (although differing views amongst vets on the subject); given that, I would suggest avoiding them if possible.

Hope this helps.

Bruce.

 

[Ed]

The argument against the use of lactated ringers is due to the rate at which amphibians clear lactate from thier system. This is slower than in mammals and birds (for a better commentary than I can provide see Amphibian Medicine and Captive Husbandry).

Newtron, that does not mean that the site does not restrict items used in medical treatments. For example Carolina Biological Supply does restrict the sale of those items to individuals.

Go to the Fisher Scientific site and use thier search key for amphibian ringers. (https://www.fishersci.com/wps/portal/HOME?LBCID=35606037)

Ed

 

[Otterwoman]

HI Bruce,
Would you use it for bloat? or how would you treat bloat; would you only treat the
cause? But what if you didn't know the cause? I mean, I wouldn't treat it with LR just for fun.
(not meant to be snippy).
thanks

 

[herpvet]

Hi Dawn,

I would use fluids, just not lactated ones. Straightforward saline may be used - 0.6 - 0.7% saline may be considered reasonably isotonic, 0.8 - 2.5% (but I'd stay in the lower end of that range) saline can be used as a hypertonic solution to try to reduce bloat, but it needs close monitoring.

As Ed says, there is a more detailed discussion in Wright and Whitaker's book, if you have access to that.

 

[Otterwoman]

Thank you for your reply!
Dawn