Andrias davidianus breeding

Hi Kyle, I looked at the link, but it appears to be a forum and I'm not sure what post you are referring to. Can you post a quote of the part of this you are looking at?
 
I can't see the pics from the forum, but from my understanding they use hormones to get eggs from the females, then they manually strip the males of milt. I was told that 2% fertilization is average. Also I think that eggs are collected from the wild to supplement the "breeding".
 
Another post I came across, which I can find again if any one cares to see the specifics was a study done on hatch rate dependant on temperature and current variations.

480 (ish) hatched normally, and there were 20(ish) abnormal babies. There was no mention of how many eggs total were used, but 500 (ish) would be about the number one female could produce if I'm not mistaken. And if an experiment is going to be carried out, it would make sense to use eggs laid at the same time and from the same female.

There is a picture of the breeding adults used at the bottom of that post.

I'm sure a hormone is being used, but I would imagine the success rate would have to be higher than that by this time. From what I have been reading on there, it sounds like each province has its own "government run" facility and now farms are popping up, soley for the use of making money on the delicacy aspect of the salamanders.

It appears that the breeding has been so successful that there is discussion on that message board of cross breeding between populations to create a more disease resistance type of salamander to be used for release back in the wild. Just like any discussion here, some were quite opposed to it, while others saw the good in having a stronger strain to release.

Disclaimer- I am an overly enthusiastic idealist who hopes and looks for the best in anything, but in the same respect I'm very discerning. It is my opinion that we have not given the Chinese enough credit in their efforts of Salamander conservation, even if it is (and I don't think this is the case) for the sole purpose of capitalizing on the high price the Salamanders demand in the food markets. Even this type of effort will greatly reduce the amount of stripping adults from the wild to be utilized as food.

To me that doesn't take away from the fact that they won't release what hormone they are using, and seem to be very selfish and secretive - although I think this is more a communication barrier than anything.
To reference what I'm saying, another post on their was making a direct joke about this hormone. The title of the post was "The secret Giant Salamander spermatazoa is ********." Inside of that it appeared people continued making jokes about the fact that no one knows what it is, one poster even replied. "Human urine works best".

But hey, maybe he is right ;), so I think the best thing we can do is start urinating on all of the Giant Salamanders once a week until they start producing. Or maybe a CIG representative could use the translator and go on this board to possibly talk to someone directly affiliated with the Chinese Giant Salamander "International" Research Group. They seem to be all about working together.
 
The reason the breeding appears to be so successful is that each farm has hundreds of adult animals (wild caught adults). If you figure each injected female lays 500 eggs and the farms get 2 or 3% fertility, they are still going to get decent number of offspring (considering how much Andrias sell for). A friend of mine is in direct contact with a farm in China (and has seen first hand), from what he tells me eggs are also collected from the wild to supplement the legitimate hormone induced breedings. I wish I could be more optimistic, but here is a quote from amphibiaweb:

"Breeding farms were established in Hunan, Shaanxi, Jiangxi and other provinces since the early 1970s (Liu and Liu 1998) but there are insufficient data about the results. It is doubtful if commercial farming will be able to alleviate the pressure on natural populations."

I was in regular contact with one farm for over a year, but they were not very interested in exchanging information. They were primarily interested in trying to convince me to send them some hellbenders.

Just my 2 cents and yes I am a glass half empty kind of guy.....
 
Here's a report from the Changsha Evening News as reported by the China Daily last month:

<font color="0000ff">Good news for giant salamanders

Wang Guoxing, a private businessman from Sangzhi County of Hunan Province, has lived in a tunnel he built for eight years to research the artificial reproduction of the rare giant salamander.

He has got a patent for his invention this year after pouring 20 million yuan (US$2.4 million) into research on the reproduction of the endangered species.

Since 1997, some 70,000 fries of the species went through artificial incubation. Thanks to his efforts, the giant salamander's ability to hatch eggs has reached over 70 per cent.</font>
 
Wow, I really hope there is some truth behind that. It'd be very interesting to see any evidence.

If anything, I have to give the Chinese even more credit here (if this is even half true) that some random guy cared enough to take an enormous portion of money and put it towards some research. If any rich American business men even saw a Hellbender, they'd probably kill it thinking they just did the world a favor, let alone give even a small amount of money to help propagate and save the species (even if it is because they happen to be so tasty
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But if any body with any large amounts of money is reading this... by all means prove me wrong.
 
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