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Hi I'm wondering about breeding same colored axolotls together .
So If i breed Albino x Albino , Would all the babies be albino ?
Would black melanoid x black melanoid = all black melanoid babies ?
Same with white leucistic x white leucistic= all white lucy babies ?
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My wife and son quite happily discuss the article on "Axolotls - Genetics and Colour" calling it "insightful" and "accessible". I however, having read the article several times, am not convinced I've completely grasped it yet. Please don't correct me if I'm wrong, but in a nutshell:

The chromosomes and DNA combine to produce proteins which break down the gametes allowing locus zygotes to undergo meiosis leading to phenotypes and genotypes which are largely homozygous unless they are heterozygous which would be down to the chromatophores or melanophores in a M/m, M/M, m/m combination and the eumelanin and carotenoids, lacking pteridines, giving us those xanthophores in an AX/ax, AX/AX, ax/ax arrangement without iridophores, purines or alleles in the dominant genes or the recessive genes, because A/a, A/A, a/a developmental mutant cell migration bypasses the neural crests without axanthic, riboflavins.

I'm not 100% sure if an albino mum + an albino dad = albino babies, or if a melanoid mum + a melanoid dad = melanoid babies or if indeed a leucistic mum + a leucistic dad = leucistic babies...because I think somewhere, the grand-parents have some say in the matter.
 

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the grand-parents have some say in the matter.

I think this is what throws all the colours off.
I have a Golden albino bred with a Leucistic (I know the leucistics parents were both leucistic)
Their offspring seem to be all light wild so far...

Mel
 

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All three traits you mention, (albino,melanoid, leucistic) are recessive and so if you cross like with like all the offspring will express this characteristic. There will be no wild types in offspring of these crosses.

Other recessive traits may emerge in the offspring if both parents are carriers, for instance the offspring of two leucistics could include 25% white albinos.
 

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Ok , So does that means albinos and melanoids always het. for wildtype?
So breeding two albinos together , will produce albinos and wild types ?
melanoid x melanoid ,= melanoids and wildtypes
albino het. melanoid x albino het. melanoid = albinos, melanoid albinos, melanoid, and wildtypes.
 

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Ok , So does that means albinos and melanoids always het. for wildtype?
So breeding two albinos together , will produce albinos and wild types ?
melanoid x melanoid ,= melanoids and wildtypes
albino het. melanoid x albino het. melanoid = albinos, melanoid albinos, melanoid, and wildtypes.
No you have got this wrong. An albino is homozygous for the albino gene and if mated with another albino all the offspring will express the albino trait. There will be no wild types in the offspring. There may be variation within the offspring due to other recessive traits such as melanoid and leucistic so two golden albinos may have offspring including various sorts of white albino due to melanoid or leucistic genes heterozygotic in both parents. They may be heterozygous for these genes but of course only one may be heterozygous or they may not carry them at all!

You will never get ordinary typical (ie non-albino) melanoids or wild types from mating two albinos.
You will never get wild types from mating leucistics. (You may get some white albinos or melanoid leucistics.)
You will never get wild types from mating two melanoids. (You may get melanoid albinos, melanoid leucistics but all offspring will be melanoid).

Of course for never read almost never, reverse mutations theoretically can happen but in practice if your stock consists entirely of albinos you will never breed a wild type.
 

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Ok great thats just wanted i wanted to hear. Thanks very much for answering my question oceanblue.
 

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Hello! I know this thread is old but I wanted to ask what is the word or suffix people use when asking breeders about the gene's of an axie? I know I used to know jt... but if you ask about the grandparents of axolotl, what is the suffix or whatever youd use?
 

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So I have a Mel, whose parents were Mel+ Wild. So curious if my Mel is more Mel or wild?? Its only about 5 3/4 inches long and maybe 6 months old. I have only had it since right before easter
Melanoid does not refer to color. Any axolotl color is melanoid if it does not have iridiphores. Yours is either black or wild type. If yours has iridiphores (shiny spots), it is not melanoid. If it doesn't, then you have a melanoid black or melanoid wild.
 
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