Breeding and colors

[slimer]

Hi I'm wondering about breeding same colored axolotls together .
So If i breed Albino x Albino , Would all the babies be albino ?
Would black melanoid x black melanoid = all black melanoid babies ?
Same with white leucistic x white leucistic= all white lucy babies ?
thanks

 

[shoegal]

Check out this link:

Axolotls - Genetics and Colour

 

[esoteric]

My wife and son quite happily discuss the article on "Axolotls - Genetics and Colour" calling it "insightful" and "accessible". I however, having read the article several times, am not convinced I've completely grasped it yet. Please don't correct me if I'm wrong, but in a nutshell:

The chromosomes and DNA combine to produce proteins which break down the gametes allowing locus zygotes to undergo meiosis leading to phenotypes and genotypes which are largely homozygous unless they are heterozygous which would be down to the chromatophores or melanophores in a M/m, M/M, m/m combination and the eumelanin and carotenoids, lacking pteridines, giving us those xanthophores in an AX/ax, AX/AX, ax/ax arrangement without iridophores, purines or alleles in the dominant genes or the recessive genes, because A/a, A/A, a/a developmental mutant cell migration bypasses the neural crests without axanthic, riboflavins.

I'm not 100% sure if an albino mum + an albino dad = albino babies, or if a melanoid mum + a melanoid dad = melanoid babies or if indeed a leucistic mum + a leucistic dad = leucistic babies...because I think somewhere, the grand-parents have some say in the matter.

 

[melfly]

the grand-parents have some say in the matter.

I think this is what throws all the colours off.
I have a Golden albino bred with a Leucistic (I know the leucistics parents were both leucistic)
Their offspring seem to be all light wild so far...

Mel

 

[oceanblue]

All three traits you mention, (albino,melanoid, leucistic) are recessive and so if you cross like with like all the offspring will express this characteristic. There will be no wild types in offspring of these crosses.

Other recessive traits may emerge in the offspring if both parents are carriers, for instance the offspring of two leucistics could include 25% white albinos.

 

[slimer]

Ok , So does that means albinos and melanoids always het. for wildtype?
So breeding two albinos together , will produce albinos and wild types ?
melanoid x melanoid ,= melanoids and wildtypes
albino het. melanoid x albino het. melanoid = albinos, melanoid albinos, melanoid, and wildtypes.

 

[oceanblue]

Ok , So does that means albinos and melanoids always het. for wildtype?
So breeding two albinos together , will produce albinos and wild types ?
melanoid x melanoid ,= melanoids and wildtypes
albino het. melanoid x albino het. melanoid = albinos, melanoid albinos, melanoid, and wildtypes.

No you have got this wrong. An albino is homozygous for the albino gene and if mated with another albino all the offspring will express the albino trait. There will be no wild types in the offspring. There may be variation within the offspring due to other recessive traits such as melanoid and leucistic so two golden albinos may have offspring including various sorts of white albino due to melanoid or leucistic genes heterozygotic in both parents. They may be heterozygous for these genes but of course only one may be heterozygous or they may not carry them at all!

You will never get ordinary typical (ie non-albino) melanoids or wild types from mating two albinos.
You will never get wild types from mating leucistics. (You may get some white albinos or melanoid leucistics.)
You will never get wild types from mating two melanoids. (You may get melanoid albinos, melanoid leucistics but all offspring will be melanoid).

Of course for never read almost never, reverse mutations theoretically can happen but in practice if your stock consists entirely of albinos you will never breed a wild type.

 

[slimer]

Ok great thats just wanted i wanted to hear. Thanks very much for answering my question oceanblue.

 

[Chelsea smith]

Hello! I know this thread is old but I wanted to ask what is the word or suffix people use when asking breeders about the gene's of an axie? I know I used to know jt... but if you ask about the grandparents of axolotl, what is the suffix or whatever youd use?

 

[gulickje]

Check out this link:

Axolotls - Genetics and Colour

So I have a Mel, whose parents were Mel+ Wild. So curious if my Mel is more Mel or wild?? Its only about 5 3/4 inches long and maybe 6 months old. I have only had it since right before easter

 

[AMurry24537]

So I have a Mel, whose parents were Mel+ Wild. So curious if my Mel is more Mel or wild?? Its only about 5 3/4 inches long and maybe 6 months old. I have only had it since right before easter

Melanoid does not refer to color. Any axolotl color is melanoid if it does not have iridiphores. Yours is either black or wild type. If yours has iridiphores (shiny spots), it is not melanoid. If it doesn't, then you have a melanoid black or melanoid wild.

 

[godzillauren]

Hi! I am brand new to asking questions so I hope this is the right way to do it/right place for it.
I have two axolotls, a wild type male and a golden albino female. Two days ago, she laid eggs all over the tank. I've collected them and set up a separate tank to try to hatch and raise them, but I'm curious what kind of colors I can expect, and about what ratio of eggs : healthy young axolotls is normal?

Thanks in advance!

 

[melfly]

Hi! I am brand new to asking questions so I hope this is the right way to do it/right place for it.
I have two axolotls, a wild type male and a golden albino female. Two days ago, she laid eggs all over the tank. I've collected them and set up a separate tank to try to hatch and raise them, but I'm curious what kind of colors I can expect, and about what ratio of eggs : healthy young axolotls is normal?

Thanks in advance!

Hi, it depends on the axolotls parents colours. (Grandparents of the eggs)
I had a golden albino x leucistic and they mostly had wild babies.
I now have a different golden albino x leucistic and I get White Albino, gold albino, leucistic, wild and melanoids

 

[godzillauren]

Hi, it depends on the axolotls parents colours. (Grandparents of the eggs)
I had a golden albino x leucistic and they mostly had wild babies.
I now have a different golden albino x leucistic and I get White Albino, gold albino, leucistic, wild and melanoids

Thanks for the response! Their babies are about a month old now. I did have some of every color! And I think there are a couple piebalds or mosaics.....there are a few that are much, much "dirtier" than the other leucistics!

 

[Poliwhirl]

I’ve got the same thing. I’ve no idea what type they are, they’re either black/wild type/ melanoid but their efts have come out mixed colours. Some dark and some light.

I’m assuming that albinism, leucitic-ism, and Melanism are all recessive traits so if I’m getting mixed efts then they’re likely wildtypes??

It’s been a good decade since A level biology and I didn’t do very well in it either

 

[melfly]

Thanks for the response! Their babies are about a month old now. I did have some of every color! And I think there are a couple piebalds or mosaics.....there are a few that are much, much "dirtier" than the other leucistics!

Even at this age you can't quite tell how they will turn out. Especially depending on the colour of the egg.
Leucistics will look freckley with a dark body and then come almost fully white. The wilds will look speckled and colour up as they get older. My golds are usually quite light and I struggle to tell them apart from a white albino a lot of the time

 

[melfly]

I’ve got the same thing. I’ve no idea what type they are, they’re either black/wild type/ melanoid but their efts have come out mixed colours. Some dark and some light.

I’m assuming that albinism, leucitic-ism, and Melanism are all recessive traits so if I’m getting mixed efts then they’re likely wildtypes??

It’s been a good decade since A level biology and I didn’t do very well in it either

These were from dark eggs I'm guessing.
Look like golden albino and white albino and some dark potentially melaniod. Can you see the shine on their eyes?