Cyanurus or chenggongensis?

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What do YOU think? These are seven separate individuals. If they are mixed between the two species, had I better separate them?
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If some of the ones are from the recent imports they aren't the same as Jennifers. I have cyanurus that came from Jennifer and cyanurus that I picked up about 6 months ago at White Plains. They certainly look different. I also have chenggongensis that I imported a couple years ago. The identification is a mess with all 3 and I'm calling them what I bought them as.

I would keep them separate.
 

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Both species are highly variable in appearance/color. If your animals came from two different sources, it might be wise to keep them separated.
Have you read this thread? [I may have but didn't remember it, so thank you! I re-read it. -Dawn]
http://www.caudata.org/forum/f1173-...newts-cynops/65762-cynops-chenggongensis.html
I notice that post #15 in this thread shows a bunch of animals Michael got from your line (Jen), which show as much variety as my whole tank. The issue was the orange on the bottom and the top the tail vs just on the bottom of the tail. The animals in this post show both.

Cynops americanus, anyone?

Can you imagine, if people in Europe had imports of N. viridescens and didn't know from exactly where they came from in the Eastern US, and started trying to differentiate them according to where and how many spots they show? Plus they seem to acquire more over time. ;)
 

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That´s exactly the problem with imports in the WC market....they are captured, mixed and distributed and there´s no locality info....
If imports were done properly, this problems wouldn´t exist, or at least we would have precise locality data to at least sort the animals.
 

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Can you imagine, if people in Europe had imports of N. viridescens and didn't know from exactly where they came from in the Eastern US, and started trying to differentiate them according to where and how many spots they show? Plus they seem to acquire more over time. ;)
That's a very good analogy, Dawn. (I can see you earned that degree in literature;)) The Notophthalmus are a mess of species and subspecies. It all makes sense geographically, but if you take away the geography you'd never know what they were.
 
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