Eggs from my Tylototriton shanjing

[EasternNewtLove]

So many ;~; its like Heaven ;~; Congrats!

 

[Raposo]

I'm soo envious! Congratulations on your success!

 

[maxim]

beautiful animals Jari !!!!

 

[Jari B]

All the juveniles do really well and I have had no losses after metamorphoses. Only one of the big larvae died before they got on the land but I am very glad that the raising goes very well. I hope that I will manage to breed them next spring again and will try to raise even more. Many shanjing offspring in my country has died and I am very selective to the people where I sell some of my shanjing to. I hope with this tactic that I am able to start together with the other people many breeding groups in my country.

 

[eljorgo]

Why to concentrate only in your country? Whats so special? Actually if this species tend to die a lot in the Netherlands maybe its time to make a bet in many other countries... Some of them with much more capable and knowledgeable people... I find the tactic thing really nice from you. But I dont think the hobby is a Nederlandese thing... As far as I know its present im many, many countries.
Cheers,

 

[Raposo]

I'm guessing it's a matter of transport that stops many people from shipping over borders. I do understand the reasoning fully because as much as I would love to have some Shanjing sent to Portugal I am not willing to compromise the animal's health via careless transportation if it isn't top notch.

If the transport was a secure and well handled,I do think it would be beneficial to consider shipping as elJorge rightfully suggests. Maybe the climate and available food are what causes high death rates?

Either way, keep up the breeding!

 

[Jari B]

You are right in one way Eljorgo, but in my country the big breeders of this specie have lost many animals of their breeding group. At the moment there are two breeders in my country that have breed shanjing this year. Next year I hope to breed again and I will also sell them outside my country then. I still have about 30 small larvae and I might sell those outside my country when they are on land.

 

[eljorgo]

I'm guessing it's a matter of transport that stops many people from shipping over borders.

I guess that's not a viable justification... We all know at least inside the EU its completely safe to ship caudates anywhere and have nearly no losses. If the shipping is done by autumn/winter/Spring the death risk is nearly 0. Summer is way more complicated but let me tell you I've had a shipment from Netherlands that took 3 weeks to arrive in august and most of the animals were alive. Off course good packing and knowledge on shipping is indeed necessary to preform some decent shipping of life creatures. I've recieved animals from most EU hobbyist countries and had no problems. also did the reverse and still no problems. Also received and sent to Japan with again no problems. In the current days, shipping is a cheap and safe way to promote breedings anywhere he want being EU 100% safe land to work with. The case with USA is still not that easy but there are defenetly ways, but not available to all

Maybe the climate and available food are what causes high death rates?

T. shanjing is a subtropical species mine would do pretty well even at 25ºC but I wont blame Nederlandese cool weather for the deaths. One thing is for sure. They've breed these several times so they are doing it right.

You are right in one way Eljorgo, but in my country the big breeders of this specie have lost many animals of their breeding group. At the moment there are two breeders in my country that have breed shanjing this year. Next year I hope to breed again and I will also sell them outside my country then. I still have about 30 small larvae and I might sell those outside my country when they are on land.

Jari, I understand and support the idea. The most important is that many more establish breeding groups and I wish you good luck with many more eggs for 2012!

Cheers all,

Jorge

 

[Jari B]

Thanks for your understanding Jorge. I hope that everything will go well so there will be more shanjing availible

 

[Raposo]

I totally agree Eljorge, the important thing to establish when breeding tylo's is to learn and pass the knowledge of what went wrong/right on to others. The more information you can retrieve from unfortunate events, the better off we are at not repeating.

Have any of the breeders/keepers who lost their animals explained what happened?

 

[Jari B]

I am not sure what has happend to those animals, but I know that the animals that are sold by those breeders that most of them died and only a few survived. And those are the one's I am breeding with right now.

 

[ummi]

AW: Re: Eggs from my Tylototriton shanjing

well done Jari - hopeful and wonderful new generation:happy:

 

[Raposo]

T.Shanjing are a usually "hardy" newt, they do have their sensitivity as all caudata do but tend to be resistant in the right conditions. It might just be a matter of bad luck though. Extensive inbreeding might also stagger health and procreation in this species. The only way to stamp an answer on these questions is with further inquiries on the state of the perished animals. Things such as food staples, habitat cleanliness and organization, stress factors and disease might also be at play here.

What matters is that yours are doing well and have bred successfully in captivity. The more tylos that breed in captivity, the better Congratulations once again, lets hope they have many many breeding cycles in the future!

 

[Jari B]

I am already starting to make the aqua terrarium of the adults drier for the winter, when I can get enough small food in the spring I will raise the temperature and the humidity. I hope that the breeding cycle will go well and that I can breed them again. The last larva of the first group will soon get on land to, it already crawls on moss to get on the land. His gills are still rather big and his adult colouration isn't developed well yet so I will wait for a few days with putting him in the group.

 

[Raposo]

Very good news, we are hopeful! Are you supplementing them with vitamin powder? Any casualties?

Keep up the good work!

 

[Jari B]

Very good news, we are hopeful! Are you supplementing them with vitamin powder? Any casualties?

I give them once a week vitamin/calcium supplements on the crickets. I haven't lost any animals on land luckily enough.


These are pictures of the set up.

 

[Jari B]

The biggest shanjing is already more then 5 cm long. The larvae of the second group are growing really well, it are about 25 larvae. I feed them white worms and tubifex.

 

[Jari B]

Two days ago I found my fist T. shanjings eggs, it was a total surprise because it already is so late in the year. Pictures of the eggs will follow soon. There is already development in the eggs so luckily enough they are fertile. I have about 20 eggs right now and I hope there will get even more eggs. There are a few things that have changed since the last time they laid eggs..

First: The location of the shanjing has changed towards the attic 1 month ago. The reason for this is because they didn't breed this year just like last year so this was the correct moment to apply a few changes. One year ago be bought a huge window in the attic which should keep the temperature relatively cool and it would give better light changes during the day and night and the seasons.

Secondly: They are in a aqua-terrarium which is 1,40- 0,5 - 0,6 meters. With about 4/10 of water that is divided by a thin plastic strip that is 10 cm high. Their old set-up was much smaller and it has been a huge improvement. The terrarium has a small ventilation strip at the top, it is enough for air to circulate but it keeps moist inside very well.

This are some pictures of my new salamander project in the attic. Which will have enough space to breed certain species and it even has a large rack where I can raise the CB if the breeding is successful.

Here are a few pictures of the new set up. In the water area I have used a lot of wood, stones and moss. The eggs are laid on all 3 the substrates but they have a light preference for the wood.

 

[naeff002]

It looks really good. And how is the breeding going at the moment

 

[Jari B]

It looks really good. And how is the breeding going at the moment

I have about 10+ larvae right now. I am keeping them in a small container and feed them tiny Daphnia. Just after hatching a few larvae died for unknown reason but everything is stable right now. :happy: