Eggs (have moved it to here - just realised was in wrong place)

also i went to asda and they didnt have any turkey basters. i will just leave the eggs that are in the bottom of the tank. theres not many now anyway as theyve been trod on etc
 
You can get lots of film canisters from photo processors they are normally very pleased to get rid of them. But make sure you clean them first as the film contains nasty chemicals.
Your car-port will freeze!
 
ebay said i am able to sell axolotls with them.

but ill still get rid of lots of eggs on here and keep about 50 eggs for myself.

harriet had another 25-30 eggs but im just leaving them in the tank and if they start to develop well then i will take them out.
 
i got a turkey baster from morrisons for 79p. i cant help but feel like mine if going to be inferior to miks £1.25 one also from morrisons :p

will have ago at the ramaining eggs in the tank tonight.

The opening of the turkey baster is a lot smaller than the eggs. will this damage them?
 
Nope. Just using to hold them as you pick them up theres no need to suck them all inside.

You'll soon get hang of it.

I answered your colour question in free for all but will move it to this topic later.
 
Jenny,

I think that you selling 10 eggs on ebay for £6.99 PLUS postages is not only out of order it is irresponsible!

Selling 10 is not going to give the person a VERY slim chase of having any survival rate at all!

And what is the worse part is that your selling them to the people with next to no information about the care of them,

And i quote

'Ideally the eggs will need to be kept in a tub or tank of some kind with an air stone. '

And

'When the axolotls hatch, they will need a lot of live food. (blood worms, daphnia, brine shrimp) these can be bought quite cheaply from a pet shop. frozen food can not be given until they are older as they will not go for still food. They must be fed often though to stob cannibalism and should be separated in smaller groups once they have grown a bit. once they have reached full adult size which is usually between 6 months to a year they will be up to 30cm in length. You could also sell them on to pet shops before they reach adult age'

That is not nearly enough info for ANYONE!
 
I agree, much more information should be given and perhaps eBay isnt the best place to be selling live animals
 
E-Bay do not allow the sale of Amphibians, hopefully they will remove the listing.
It is highly immoral selling animals in this manner as you have no way of restricting who you are selling them to and once sold you enter a legally binding agreement with that person.
As a trader I am put under certain conditions of making sure that each person purchasing an animal is fully aware of how to look after that animal and if under any doubt should refuse the sale, I just wish this was imposed on any private individuals selling animals.
 
i asked ebay. i will forward you the email if you like. i had 5 more sets on previously but people bought them and so i put more on.

what difference is it whether i advertise them on here or on ebay. anyone can still contact me and say they want some and i would send them. same that anyone can buy something from a pet shop and not know how to look after them.

ebay also said i can sell actual axolotls. which i am also going to do.
 
Hello Jenny,

Thank you for contacting us. My name is Clarisse and it would be my
pleasure to assist you today.

We have reviewed the animal you would like to sell on eBay and it has
been decided that it is permitted.

Thanks again for writing, and thank you for being part of the eBay
community.

Best wishes,

Clarisse Recalde
eBay Customer Support
 
"i asked ebay. i will forward you the email if you like. i had 5 more sets on previously but people bought them and so i put more on."

Ebay probably do not realise that Axolotls are amphibians and not fish. The sale of amphibians on ebay is not allowed.

"what difference is it whether i advertise them on here or on ebay. anyone can still contact me and say they want some and i would send them."

By advertising them here you can vet potential buyers, on ebay anybody can buy them and you then enter a legal contract to supply them with the eggs and so have absolutely no control.

"same that anyone can buy something from a pet shop and not know how to look after them."

Each petshop has to be licensed, In the petshop standard licence conditions it states that care information must be made available for each animal at the point of sale, and that if the licensee is under any doubt as to the knowledge of the individual in regards to the needs, care and nature of the species being acquired that the sale should be refused.

As I said earlier it is highly immoral to sell animals to an individual without knowing that they are capable of looking after them.
 
Jenny,

So you are happy to promote people implus buying these eggs, not knowing what the hell to do?!?!

As I said before, VERY irresponsible! And i think andrew got it just right by saying: 'it is highly immoral to sell animals to an individual without knowing that they are capable of looking after them'

I believe you your self still has no true idea how to care for these eggs, I know these words may seem harsh, but this is what I think, and if you did you would be advisting them on here with the help of others and there support, NOT selling them on ebay and a quick money making sceam.

I have only 100 eggs, and im finding it hard to keep them and I have access to all the inforamtion on here.

The surival rate is VERY low, out of 21 hatchling I now only have 5, this is nothing to do with my care of them!
 
I am not sure we can really say?

When I bought my first axolotl many moons ago the pet store didn't even know what it was. It came in with their feeder goldfish. I saw the goldfish attacking it and wanted to "save it". I paid $5 and took it home not even knowing what it was.

I went to the library and found out it was an axolotl and what it needed to survive. I had him 13 years and had to sell him and some of his adult offspring at that time.

I raised thousands of babies without the benefit of experienced mentors, just what I could find to read on axolotls in the mid 80's (which wasn't much at our library), and trial and error.

Sure they might all die, but they all might not. We have no idea who is buying them or what they know or what kind of effort they are willing to put forth. We might not like the idea but I just can't say yes or no. (not that Jenny needs me to say yes or no to make her decision).
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well if the survival rate is low anyway. . . .


But i feel i have put enough info. 1)airating the water 2)when born separate 3)feed lots-as much as they can eat.

plus info on how to look after them.

I would think msot the people who want them - it is because they cannot get them in their area. a couple of people have emailed me asking if they can have a couple when they are born as they are unable to get them and they dont want the eggs as they are unable to get live food and feed them as much. plus i am also going to send about a gram of shrimp eggs to the people who have bought them with instructions on how to hatch them.

And im not doing it as a quick money making scam. well technically it kind of is but ive used the money to buy the eggs and strainer and the im gonna buy the water dripper thing for the eggs to make sure the eggs that i keep are fed well!

one guy who asked me how to look after them i responded to it. then i sent him a separate one as it didnt allow me more space on the same message saying that it would be best for him to wait till im selling the babies rather than the eggs if he has never had them and he hasnt bought any.

but whatever.

ive checked out what im doing and im not doing anything ilegal and i feel i have given enough information and it is also up to the person to find the right information about them.

and you moan to me that because some of the people who buy the eggs may not know how to look after them and they die. what about places like IU who delib do experiments on axolotls to MAKE them die of heart failure as soon as theyre born or kidney failure so they die within a year. And sell the same axolotl eggs with these deformities so that schools and colleges can hatch them so they die of whatever.
 
There is a difference between the research that Indiana University is doing and selling eggs/hatchlings to people who are not well informed on the care of these animals who ultimately die due to poor care.

IU and other universities study these animals not to torture them, but to learn and teach about these animals.

What you are doing is not scientific nor is it educational. You are selling eggs, in, as Andrew said, a legally binding agreement, and providing the potential buyer with very little information about their care. You say you're going to offer Brine Shrimp eggs, but will you be supplying proper information regarding hatching them? Do you realize that not only do they need an air stone, but they need daily water changes?

It's the buyer's responsibility to find proper information about them? You are the one putting them up for auction. It is your responsibility to ensure that the buyer is aware of what he or she is purchasing, especially if it is a live animal. Just saying that they need an airstone and live food is not sufficient. At least provide them a link to a site, such as the caudata.org axolotl site, that will help a person understand how to care for eggs and hatchlings.

Also - why are you using pictures from different websites and not pictures of the actual animals?
 
because i only have pictures of mine on my phone and i do not have a cable to send the pics from my phone to my pc. but as soon as i am able to i will post them on here to prove they are in excellent health and condition.
Heres one i have been able to send to my email from my phone.

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I'm sorry Jenny I also think that selling the eggs to whomever is irresponsible. The audience on ebay is enormous compared to what an 'average' pet shop might have. Of course they will sell; Axies are cute, weird exotic very cool pets.

Most of us here who have axies didn't really know much about them before we acquired them. But now we do we don't condone pet shops selling them with as little info and as much misinfo as they do.

I think your understanding of the IU and it's motives is virtually non-existant and you should gain a better understanding before trying to compare your motives and goals with theirs.

If you are giving caudata.org or axolotl.org as an information reference I suggest that you also indicate that you are not affiliated with or a representative of these sites.

I'm sorry Jenny but I think your way off track at the moment and you should consider more carefully what you actually trying to achieve.
 
but someone might see one in a pet shop and want one and the pet shop say 'yeah they just need cold normal room temp water and if you ever want them to stop living in water just take out two inches of water every month then their gills drop off and they will live on land' and someone might see them on ebay with a lot of info on how to look after them. and ive put for people to check out as much about them on the net before buying them (not putting this site).
 
Jenny we know that what you say is quite often the case. But it isn't a good thing. I think your attitude is worse because the audience is significantly bigger than the casual purchase by one person who happens to walk into a pet shop on that day.

Those of us who have had axies, eggs and babies don't always manage to get them to grow to adults so chances are even more remote for the unwitting.

When I had some 500+ eggs earlier this year I offered them to a select few idividuals. Sadly not one has survived..and these people are pretty much on the ball.

By comparison, if my pup Logan was put to stud or I had a litter from a bitch I would be very careful to know what was going to happen to the pups. Logan was one of 10 pups in his litter. The last pup didn't go until 18 weeks old. 10 weeks after normal release date because the breeder couldn't find suitable responsible owners. She even kept two for herself. I applaud her for how she is gone about this and I think we should take a similar interest in these much smaller creatures welfare.

Sorry Jenny you have them you should consider what you are responsible for.
 
Jenny,

How on earth do you think you are giving these people enough information?

Please take a look at the amount of question that are asked on here on a weekly basis... even with Johns great Axie site, people still have problems and come here for help.

You are in no way giving these people enough information to keep the animals alive.

You can no way compare what you are doing to a pet shop. I have to say that I know 4 pet shops that have given GOOD advice on axolotls. Not all are the same.

I have also strongly agree with Mik 'If you are giving caudata.org or axolotl.org as an information reference I suggest that you also indicate that you are not affiliated with or a representative of these sites.'

I and im sure many other people dont want to be seen as to promote this.
 
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