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Eisenia fetida Problems and Solutions?

seandelevan

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Hi im a proud owner of two young Cynops ensicauda popei. Acquired them as young newly morphed juveniles. They have grown up quickly and easily, feeding them everything from fruit flies, blackworms, bloodworms, whiteworms and as they got bigger common earthworms I've found in my yard. It is these they ate voraciously, but the last few months these worms have been hard to find due to summer. Instead I bought 200 Eisenia fetida for them. They do not eat these, unless absolutely starving.

I know they emit a foul substance when harmed. At first my newts ate these only to "throw them up" immediately. Most of the time now they swim away when I try to feed them these worms. They might eat a very small piece of one only when they are starving. This is causing major problems now. They rarely eat frozen blood worms, and the closest place that sells blackworms is 2 hours away and a lot of times they are "out", leaving me with only these worms. I do have fish that eat these worms so they are not going to waste. But is there anything I can do to fix this? Any tips? It's pitiful to have seen my fat heathy newts waste away since they won't eat these worms. Help!
 

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I keep C. pyrrhogaster and they won't eat these worms either, only sometimes very small ones will be taken by my greedy females. The males don't want even garden worms. I managed to get them to eat pellets on a regular basis and they get lesser waxworms and bloodworms (their favourite food) occasionally. Try to find some small axolotl pellets. The newts probably won't be too excited about these at first. Let them go hungry for a few days if they refuse to eat them and hopefully they will accept them in the end. Well formulated pellets should provide good nutrition. Lesser waxworms are difficult to get hold of and aren't the easiest to culture, but they can be offered as a treat once in a while.
 

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Get some E. hortensis earthworms. Set up a little recycling bin for your vegetable scraps. Feed the salamanders worms that are not fetid. If you raise your own you will have all sizes available.
 

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E. fetida aren't liked by some caudatas ( I believe it varies from individual to individual as well ), so I agree with Michael, E. hortensis is a good one. -Seth
 

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I have had this issue with nearly all the newt species I've kept , the best solution I have found is to use smaller worms than you would usually offer the secretions in the smaller ones must be greatly reduced or non existant /non effective
 

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If the OP is just purchasing worms (doesn't mention wanting to grow them), then I'd suggest trying to find Canadian nightcrawlers at your local Walmart stores. Canadian nightcrawlers are a staple food at my house (even though I also grow the Hortensis worms).

To FIND the worms at Walmart, go to the gun department (it has to be staffed) and ask them if they have live bait. Most do.
 

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I find that washing the worms very well with regular tap water (chlorine and all) makes them much more palatable.
 

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If the OP is just purchasing worms (doesn't mention wanting to grow them), then I'd suggest trying to find Canadian nightcrawlers at your local Walmart stores. Canadian nightcrawlers are a staple food at my house (even though I also grow the Hortensis worms).

To FIND the worms at Walmart, go to the gun department (it has to be staffed) and ask them if they have live bait. Most do.

Even though these tend to MASSIVE compared to the newts being fed? Chop them in to tiny tiny pieces?
 
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    Because his soil is certainly not 80 degrees fahrenheit, and I dont want to freeze the poor bugger with ice packs if he really doesnt need them. Hes been doing fine, but Im just so stressed because I cant get ANy information on how to handle this little guy. Theyre illegal to keep without a permit, but this one would not have survived without my intervention. So I cant call and ask anyone for help. If theres a betetr site than this one, I sure havent found it. But I never get any replies here. We are all just asking questions and getting none answered basically. Its really frustrating as I just want to help this little dude be happy and healthy. All I can get him to eat is potato bugs as well. I cant find anything else that he will eat. Is that even okay? :/ hes been eating strictly those since may first.
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    Alright well I bought a bunch of stuff for his tank and hope it helps. Im getting extremelty frustrated that bI cant get an answer. Guess buddies just gonna have to die or some shit. like wtf why cant I get any help.
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    I'm afraid this is the largest and most active community for this kind of information, probably on the entire internet. That said, we are still small overall. We can't help you all of the time. We do offer you support and have answered your questions in the past so I feel it's very impolite to lose patience with us.
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    Second of all, was you who said you wild caught your salamander? And had Authorities threaten to retrieve it from you?
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    Third of all, assuming thats the case, no one seems to want to face the reality that these animals come from climates and microenvironments where they need to be kept cool. If you can't hack, then release it where you pulled it from.
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    he was dying outside. SO SORRY i was nice enough to save him. can i even release him in wetaher thats 40 degree celcius? will he not just die outside because he cant dig through the hard ground?
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    The ONLY reason I spent 500 dollars on this thing was to keep him alive. thats IT. He was completely dry with cracked skin and couldnt walk and I nursed him back to health. Now I should just throw him outside on the hard baked ground where I found him? in my driveway? Really dude?
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    I am losing patienc ebecause I care. Because I cant get any answers in any length of time that will actually benefit him. He'll only eat potato bugs, I just want him to have good rest of his life. Thats IT. So dont act like I went out an dillegally trapped some poor salamander out of the wild for fun cuz I wanted one.
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    I am very sure he was just trying to pass by, because he certainly cant dig ANYWHERE in the soil ANYWHERE near where I live. So I cannot just release him in 40 degree celcius on the super hard baked ground where theres no shelter and no food and now ater to be seen for miles. I dont see how that wioll help him at all.
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