Giant Oranda and Axi

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pamela

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Hi Guys, i met a guy in scotland who has had a giant red cap Oranda in with an Axie for 5 years, so im wondering could this be their tank mate. he says he has no problems, he feeds the oranda blood worms, tubiflex etc, and anything his axie leaves , it hoovers it up, what are your thoughts on this?
 
Pamela - He has just been lucky so far.

I have some large goldfish and I know they could tear an axolotls gills and legs to pieces easily.

"Just say no to tank mates that are not other axolotls"
 
I'm sure a lot of people have kept all kinds of animals with their axolotls with no problems. But each animal reacts differently to it's tank mates, and it only takes one bad incident for a delicate little axolotl to be killed. If someone wants a wide variety of aquatic animals in a tank then I'd say a community fish tank would be better than axolotls. But even axolotls have been known to hurt each other, but the chances of this are a lot lower than introducing a foreign species into the tank. As Cynthia said a lot of successful tank mates are mainly successful because of luck.
 
hi guys, i understand what u are saying but 5 years is a good innings just to be luck. In the respect that all animals act differently, it can be said that a dog might not like a new puppy, or cat with kitten etc, wich will be shown in a few hours, but five years is some luck.
 
hi guys just me again, been speaking to the chap on line who has the Oranda, he says the Orandas mouth is in no way for biting an axie, it justs sucks, and they are non agressive. the axie at the beginning went for the Oranda, but was too quick for axie and have been fine ever since. He has put axies together and lost a leg with one.
And he also has an albino frog in with them, and its 3 years, over 6 inches.
 
Well it has worked for him so far, but no matter how nonagressive the animal is there is always a chance that an incident could happen. But if someone feels that they must have a fish in their tank I'm not going to say they can't, I just wouldn't do it myself.
 
You say its worked for him so far, but your not saying the possibility that nothing might happen And yes your right with any animal can have an incident, but do we all live in fear of having an incident, or take the facts as ok, where do we draw the line.
I hav dealt with loads of animals, for instance, i could put a guinea pig in with a rat, and no trouble for years, but i could put the same rat in with another rat and will fight to the death.
So where do we draw the line.
Personally, i have heard of more axies fighting with each other. I have never hear of another spiecies tearing into an axie, unless very stupidly a tortoise or something and small fish which will eat gills.
Personally, i do not believe they are solitary creatures.
 
The Indiana University Axolotl colony has tested axies with fish and many other tank mates. They don't normally mix them due to the amount of stress placed on both animals or an injury may occur. The only fish they said they have had coexist nicely with them are plecos, which I wouldn't do because I know someone who had a pleco leave leisions on the side of the axie. Here is a link http://www.indiana.edu/~axolotl/
 
Pamela: yes, it's a possibility that nothing might happen when an axolotl is mixed with another species (fish, frog, whatever). And, yes, it's possible that two axies might have problems getting along. I think what people here are saying is that it's just safer to err on the side of not mixing species rather than to risk life and limb. Where we "draw the line" depends entirely upon what risks we are willing to take with the animals (and this would include putting together 2 axolotls that have never seen each other before).

There have been specific cases of species not getting along. See:
http://www.caudata.org/cc/articles/Mixing_disasters.shtml
There are 2 examples on that page regarding axolotls, and others have been posted on this forum over the years.

You seem pretty determined to make your point that it's OK to mix axolotls with other creatures. Are you wanting to introduce another animal in with your axie(s)? It's really up to you, of course. If you are looking for people to tell you "yes, try that" you won't find many people who will say that.
 
I think you can keep different species together successfully, but the setup of your tank becomes very critical. I keep a mudpuppy, an axolotl, a large crayfish, and two uneaten goldfish with no problems. Keeping different species together requires a lot of thought, planning, and observation to ensure that there is plenty space and never a shortage of proper hiding spots. If you want to keep a simple tank then I think it's best not to mix species, because mixing species can result in a lot of stress on the animals.
 
sorry to say a crayfish with mudpuppy and an axolotl is crazy. they are all nocturnal and crayfish do claw when afraid or approached.
 
To those people who keep goldfish in with axolotls I ask you - would you want to live with a cannibal? In essence the fish run the risk of being eaten and I know that axies and fish are entirely different species therefore its not technically cannibalism, but the point is I reckon the fish would be pretty stressed.
Stressed fish = risk of disease.
I say don't do it - it's irresponsible.

As for having anything with pincers or claws in with soft bodied axies, I have to say I think that's just plain stupid.
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True. I suppose the crayfish is a little stressed, because the mudpuppy and axolotl are always trying to eat him during the night. But he was supposed to be eaten about 5 molts ago, and I'm not too attached to him. My crayfish is also pretty cowardly and non-aggressive for a crayfish. I've had one of the same species before and it was similar in temperment. The axolotl and mudpuppy get along very well during the night.
 
Just looked up a picture of a mudpuppy - never seen one before.

They're weird!
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They look just like axies but not as cute - they have a very hard looking face...
 
When I first saw a mudpuppy picture it freaked me out - I thought it was grotesque - but now I quite like them
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. Have you checked out a picture of sirens - I think there's some pics on the
Common Name - Family - Genus and Species topic on this site - they rock! I would love to have me one of those.
 
I would REALLY not keep a mudpuppy and an axolotl together, let alone with a crayfish. Do you know that crayfish makes up a good portion of mudpuppy diet? I'm sure axolotl will too, as soon as the mudpuppy is big enough. Let alone the fact that mudpuppies like cold, rocky streams, and axolotls get stressed with moving water.
 
I had a mud puppy but he died. His name was Marlo Borlo. He was the hole reason why I found this website in teh first place! they are really aggressive. Luckily mine wasn't towards me when I was cleaning his tank. Mud Puppies will eat anything that can fit in their mouths, and concidering that an Axolotl could fit in a mud puppy's mouth, i wouldn't keep them together. Also mud puppies are taken from the wild. they aren't bred in captivity, so if they have any parasites, they will be passed on most likely to the the Axolotls. Pete, just to warn you, don't be surprised one morning if you wake up and find your axolotl missing. Only finger to blame is the mud puppy. I rather think Mud Puppies are cute. They look wierd in pictures, but they have really cute little feet with rounded toes and really big heads with cute little smiles and eyes. too bad they are mean, that smile really can fool you. Mud puppies also get really big, and shouldn't have anything less the size of a small children's swimming pool. They like a lot of room and fast cold moving water.
 
I originally wanted a mudpuppy because I think they are fascinating creatures. But I knew I wouldn't be able to keep a tank large enough for him while I'm still in college. I then settled with my axolotls and I couldn't be happier. I originally had just my golden but a few months later I had to get another one and thats when I got my wildtype. My axies get along great. They crawl on each other and play with each other and neither one seems to get annoyed or show any aggression at all towards each other. They were both very young when I got them and have been growing up together. I would definitely support having 2 axies in the same tank because it is interesting to watch them interact with each other. but a mudpuppies size is just to much for a little axie. I would really reconsider that decision.
 
hi guys, i seem to have stirred up things, not my intention.
I was just amazed at the guy who has managed to keep his axi, and oranda together, i keep my axies with no other spieces, and dont intend too.
i love my axis, was just curious. frank is now over a foot long , hes a big boy. Amoxy is growing good, she is still my baby.
Has anyone tried Krill, they love them.
 
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