Help, please!!!!

[DogLady0142]

Hi, long, but I really appreciate help!!!!
I'm currently tubbing my axie. He has been battling a fungus infection. I was doing tea baths, which helped. He hasn't eaten in over a week. I've tried everything!!! Pellets, ENC, shrimp, salmon, white fish, duck heart. Seems interested, but then swims away. He's getting so skinny, I'm worried I'm going to loose him. I thought he was morphing because he lost all of his tail fins. Yesterday when I changed the water I used a flashlight on him. Seems that the fungus is all over his body. It was very hard to tell with his pattern.
I started methylene blue bath at half dose according to bottle instructions. For 15 min once daily. He's tubbed with John 's solution. He has been a bit more active since the first methylene bath, but he's still not eating. I have a little fan on the tub, to make sure the water stays within temperature. I'm thinking either the infection is so bad he doesn't want to eat, or maybe it's in his mouth too? I don't have a vet in my city. I've read about fridging, but I've heard it can be super stressful, and I feel that that could be a bad idea in his current state.
Can I alternate treatments, blue, with a tea later in the day? Or increase the frequency of the blue?

thanks for your time in reading my post and helping my axie

 

[wolfen]

what is your ph kh gh levels in the water.
increase the salt level to the same as 100% holtfreters which is 3.46g per litre.
if you have hard water then the current level of bicarb should be ok and shouldn't need additional calcium.
the magnesium can be increased to 0.2g per litre.
any body mold areas and open wounds swab with potassium permanganate.
acriflavine can also be used the same way methyline blue to treat fungus and as an antiseptic.

 

[DogLady0142]

what is your ph kh gh levels in the water.
increase the salt level to the same as 100% holtfreters which is 3.46g per litre.
if you have hard water then the current level of bicarb should be ok and shouldn't need additional calcium.
the magnesium can be increased to 0.2g per litre.
any body mold areas and open wounds swab with potassium permanganate.
acriflavine can also be used the same way methyline blue to treat fungus and as an antiseptic.

I'm new to forums in general. I've tried to search for the holtfreters sol recipe can't find it, can you send me a link?

 

[DogLady0142]

Can I buy potassium permanganate at the pharmacy? I found it on Amazon but the delivery is as late as January. What is acriflavine? I can't find it?
I'm dosing the methyline blue at 10 drops per 2 gallon
How do I check magnesium levels in water?

 

[JM29]

For Holtfreter recipe, you can read the following link :

Axolotls - Requirements & Water Conditions in Captivity

www.axolotl.org

Besides of it, your axolotl must be fed.
What was the last food he accepted ?

For the long term, there may be something wrong (disequilibrium) in your setup, which favour infections.
Too high temperatures are also a frequent issue.

 

[DogLady0142]

For Holtfreter recipe, you can read the following link :

Axolotls - Requirements & Water Conditions in Captivity

www.axolotl.org

Besides of it, your axolotl must be fed.
What was the last food he accepted ?

For the long term, there may be something wrong (disequilibrium) in your setup, which favour infections.
Too high temperatures are also a frequent issue.

I have fans on my tanks, they all hover somewhere between 16-18 °c so I know that's good.

He was eating ENC, I forgot to mention that I tried bloodworm and brine shrimp, nothing. I'm assuming that the infection is preventing his appetite. Once that's under control I hope he stDts eating. He's getting so skinny. It's all bad I'm scared he's going to die.

 

[wolfen]

sorry I assumed because you was using johns solution which is a modified holtfreters solution that you had the recipe.
potassium permanganate may be available at pharmacies as it is a chemical, acriflavine should be available at pet shops as a treatment for fish.

 

[DogLady0142]

sorry I assumed because you was using johns solution which is a modified holtfreters solution that you had the recipe.
potassium permanganate may be available at pharmacies as it is a chemical, acriflavine should be available at pet shops as a treatment for fish.

I do have the recipe, but it doesn't have that in it? The recipe I got was, 6tbsp plus 2 tsp of aquarium salt, Epsom salt 3.5 tsp, baking soda 2.5 tsp all in 1 gallon of dechlorinated water?

 

[DogLady0142]

So fustrating!!! He's had the 3rd methylene bath and he looks worse... Anything else I can try? Still hasn't eaten

 

[axolotl nerd]

So fustrating!!! He's had the 3rd methylene bath and he looks worse... Anything else I can try? Still hasn't eaten

continue the treatments @wolfen mentioned, and hope for the best. refusing to eat isn't a good sign, but hope is not yet lost. continue trying everything you can

 

[DogLady0142]

Had an idea, going to try to combine treatments , flush with the John's solution, then tea bath after, then tonight I'll do the methyline again.... I'm also thinking of trying force feeding... I'm a bit worried about this. Bi don't want him to die

 

[axolotl nerd]

Had an idea, going to try to combine treatments , flush with the John's solution, then tea bath after, then tonight I'll do the methyline again.... I'm also thinking of trying force feeding... I'm a bit worried about this. Bi don't want him to die

i've never used anything other than salt and tea baths for fungus, so i can't give reliable advice on combining those treatments.
how long has it been since he last ate? about how skinny is he? force feeding is a last ditch effort because it can be so stressful

 

[wolfen]

the ingredients for 100% holtfreters is 3.46g salt (over 3x strength of Johns), 0.1g calcium chloride (omitted from Johns), 0.2 bicarbonate of soda (2x strength Johns), 0.05 potassium chloride (omitted from Johns), these are all measured per litre water, magnesium sulphate (0.1g per litre in Johns) can be added at 0.2g per litre to holtfreters to improve gh and also add essential mineral.
once treatment is done the holfreters + magnesium sulphate is reduced to 50% as a preventative and to add essential salts/minerals.
I normally work with grams so I don't normally use cup, tbsp or tsp as it isn't as accurate.

 

[wolfen]

vitamin C (ascorbic acid) can be used to try to encourage appetite, use at 0.05g per litre, bare in mind it is an very mild acid so it will have a slight effect on ph kh.

 

[DogLady0142]

the ingredients for 100% holtfreters is 3.46g salt (over 3x strength of Johns), 0.1g calcium chloride (omitted from Johns), 0.2 bicarbonate of soda (2x strength Johns), 0.05 potassium chloride (omitted from Johns), these are all measured per litre water, magnesium sulphate (0.1g per litre in Johns) can be added at 0.2g per litre to holtfreters to improve gh and also add essential mineral.
once treatment is done the holfreters + magnesium sulphate is reduced to 50% as a preventative and to add essential salts/minerals.
I normally work with grams so I don't normally use cup, tbsp or tsp as it isn't as accurate.

Thanks so much I really appreciate it.

 

[DogLady0142]

the ingredients for 100% holtfreters is 3.46g salt (over 3x strength of Johns), 0.1g calcium chloride (omitted from Johns), 0.2 bicarbonate of soda (2x strength Johns), 0.05 potassium chloride (omitted from Johns), these are all measured per litre water, magnesium sulphate (0.1g per litre in Johns) can be added at 0.2g per litre to holtfreters to improve gh and also add essential mineral.
once treatment is done the holfreters + magnesium sulphate is reduced to 50% as a preventative and to add essential salts/minerals.
I normally work with grams so I don't normally use cup, tbsp or tsp as it isn't as accurate.

Thanks so much I really appreciate it

i've never used anything other than salt and tea baths for fungus, so i can't give reliable advice on combining those treatments.
how long has it been since he last ate? about how skinny is he? force feeding is a last ditch effort because it can be so stressful

I did a salt bath and flushed at the same time. I saw some large flakes coming off. Hope it was fungus rather than slime coat. I kept him in at 20 min then went to a tea bath for 10 min. Then I put him back in his tub . So worried to overwhelm him. I'm feeling kinda desperate.
It's now a week and a half, nothing... Pretty skinny...

 

[DogLady0142]

vitamin C (ascorbic acid) can be used to try to encourage appetite, use at 0.05g per litre, bare in mind it is an very mild acid so it will have a slight effect on ph kh.

Thanks again for everything, I appreciate it!!! I'll pick some up. I'm willing to give anything a try at this point...

 

[DogLady0142]

i've never used anything other than salt and tea baths for fungus, so i can't give reliable advice on combining those treatments.
how long has it been since he last ate? about how skinny is he? force feeding is a last ditch effort because it can be so stressful

Thanks again for your time and help, I don't want to loose him. He tolerated the salts well. What do you use in your salt baths?

 

[angiecarboni]

My Axolotl won’t eat worms I’m feeding shrimp they are eating it kril and salmon is this ok

 

[wolfen]

My Axolotl won’t eat worms I’m feeding shrimp they are eating it kril and salmon is this ok

they are fine eating most frozen food ie.. bloodworm, brine shrimp, mysis, krill, cockle, mussel, beefheart etc.. the main thing is that they are strict carnivores so the food has to be meat based, salmon should also be ok.