Question: Help with identifying babies

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I have attached some pictures of my babies. I have a few different ones. Anybody willing to give me some help identifying the color morph?

Is this one leucistic?
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I know these are albino, but they appear very different.
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These are beautiful, but I have no idea what to call them. Are they wild-type with less dark color?
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Thanks for any help you can give!
 
The first one with the black eyes is a leucistic. The second one looks to be a normal albino. The third is a golden albino. The fourth one in the egg is a wild type. It may be a melanoid(excess black pigment) but it would need to be a few inches to determine that.
 
I am still a little confused myself...I thought the black eyes on an otherwise albino axolotl meant it was melanoid. To be honest, before I became a part of caudata.org I only thought there were 2 types, albino and wild type.
 
Shizeric said:
I am still a little confused myself...I thought the black eyes on an otherwise albino axolotl meant it was melanoid. To be honest, before I became a part of caudata.org I only thought there were 2 types, albino and wild type.
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Black eyes on a white one is leucistic.
Melanoid is if it has no shiney ring on its eye.

I have some melanoid albino babies.

The last photo is another wild.
I like the look of those wilds with big patches of yellow, they're gonna be nice looking.
To check for melanoid look for non shiney eyes, i use a torch lol.

Mel
 
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What they call these colors just confuse me for example....Melanoid albino. By definition of the the two words this is impossible. Melanoid the excess of color pigments and Albino lacking pigment. To me this will never be a color no matter what someone says. And then this whole thing about golden albinos may not be true albinos after all. These are the colors I except..... Leucistic, albino, goldens, melanoid, pied, and wild type.(all shades) Camo is not a color to me its just a shade of wild type. I'm sure I will take some heat for this.
 
BillYannone said:
What they call these colors just confuse me for example....Melanoid albino. By definition of the the two words this is impossible. Melanoid the excess of color pigments and Albino lacking pigment. To me this will never be a color no matter what someone says. And then this whole thing about golden albinos may not be true albinos after all. These are the colors I except..... Leucistic, albino, goldens, melanoid, pied, and wild type.(all shades) Camo is not a color to me its just a shade of wild type. I'm sure I will take some heat for this.
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I too am confused by the melanoid albino. Maybe there is another term for non shiny albinos. Or just albino...??
I agree with the camo comment

Mel
 
So that means there is no iridescent speckles on the skin. The caracteristic patches of shiny skin on wild type axolotls are full of reflective plates of cristallized compounds. If there are no iridophores, then there are no reflecting plates.
If you combine albinism with this condition, you loose the melanin, and what´s left is an animal that lacks both melanophores and iridophores (in contrast with for example a golden albino, which lacks melanin but has very visible iridophores).
 
Resulting in melanoid albino.

That makes sense to me now.
Could my melanoid albino pass on the melanoid without passing on albino?
Mel
 
Regarding that last photo... what color was mom? At hatching, leucistics may still be pigmented if the mom was dark. You may need to wait a few weeks to know for sure.
 
The term "melanoid albino" is a contradiction. By definition, an albino has NO melanin. Clearly, this axolotl has melanin, as demonstrated in its dark eyes.

The photo is not really clear enough for us to see whether it has iridophores, but if it does have iridiphores, then it's a leucistic. And if it does not have iridophores, then it's a WHITE MELANOID, not a melanoid albino.

If you look here: Axolotl - Farbgenetik, you see that ambystoma.de refers to a white axolotl with black eyes and NO iridophores as a "Melanoide Weißlinge."

They also state that the term "Weißlinge" can be used interchangeably with the term "Leukistische", which means that they are referring to such an animal as a "melanoid leucistic".

I would prefer to refer to it as a white melanoid instead of a melanoid leucistic, since leucistics DO have iridophores, but given only the choice between calling it a melanoid albino and a melanoid leucistic, I would prefer to call it a white leucistic.

Albinos DO NOT have melanin anywhere on their bodies.

As far as these babies go, I am 100% sure that they are the following:

1) Either leucistic, or white melanoid. I cannot tell whether or not the eye has iridophores. If it has iridophores, it's leucistic.
2) albino
3) golden albino
4) wildtype. Wildtypes come in varying degrees of green and brown, and with varying sizes and amounts of spots. But the last two pics are definitely wildtype.

and 5) the "one more" is melanoid.

There's no doubt in my mind about these colors. Shizeric is mistaken.
 
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But what about a white albino (non black eyes) with no iridophores?

Mel
 
Originally Posted by melfly
But what about a white albino (non black eyes) with no iridophores?

Mel

Velaria said:
That would just be an albino, Mel.
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No, a white albino with no iridiophores is a melanoid albino

Tina
 
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