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hi :confused:
Here r some pic's of alex he/she (Im not sure yet any help on that too would be appreciated) use to look just like your first picture ive recently moved alex to a bigger tank now its losted all its gills eyes have gone kind of foggy and theres very little movment at all and no eatting. Im asking you cause it looks just the same can you help

It looks like hes going to morph, because of the gills and the "outstanding" eyes.
Have a look at his mouth. Maybe he got problems to eat because hes getting a tongue.
The "fogg" on his eyes could be harmless bacteria. My axos got this too. I put one bag of black tea per 1l into the tank for about a week and it was off.
You said, he has been moved into a bigger tank.
Do you took the water from the other tank into the new one?
Do you analysed the water? Is the temperature the same?
What do you fed him?
 

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Axolotl suffering from some sort of infection brought on by dirty/unfit water conditions. Fix the problem (temperature, water quality, some stress in the tank such as high water flow or combination of all), keep the water cool and give it a day or two to see if it will eat. If it won't eat then you need to treat it right then for bacterial septicemia - there are various treatments talked about on the forum (do a search) and on the axolotl site. Good luck.
 

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thanks

Ive put him in the fridge for while I've been doing salt baths. The water temp is 17/ 18 decrees the PH is around 7.6 and the ammonia and nitrite are at 0. Before i was feeding him crickets and frozen blood worms/fish which he wont eat anymore. Now he's eating wax worms occasionally only if i hold in front of his mouth for a while. in the past few days he's been eating more and moving a bit too he still doesn't look to happy tho if he is getting better will his gills grow back or If he was to metamorphose does that just happen on its own or do i have to do anything.
 

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If he's eating then he should recover. Unless he has fungus I would lay off the salt baths - they can do more harm than good.

He's not metamorphosing so don't worry about it. If you want to know more about that there are threads on the forum and a page about metamorphosed axolotls on the axolotl site.

His gill filaments will grow back but it's unlikely that the full branches will ever grow back.

Where in Ireland are you? I am from Dublin but I moved to the US 3 years ago.
 

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Axolotl suffering from some sort of infection brought on by dirty/unfit water conditions.

Its not always an infection. This happened to more than one axo in anonther forum.
Look at this two pictures, the second ist made after a week in black tea.
But only the vet is able to tell if its an infection or not.

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That he could be morphing was just a idea. He looks like another axo, who dont eat anything of course he got the tongue. I´m happy if i missinterpret it. But he possibility for the dusty-eyes not beeing a symptom is given (possible).
 

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Its not always an infection. This happened to more than one axo in anonther forum.
Look at this two pictures, the second ist made after a week in black tea.
But only the vet is able to tell if its an infection or not.

EDIT:
That he could be morphing was just a idea. He looks like another axo, who dont eat anything of course he got the tongue. I´m happy if i missinterpret it. But he possibility for the dusty-eyes not beeing a symptom is given (possible).
Thanks for offering your assessment Nessi - it's always good to have more than one opinion and person trying to help, and I definitely think Caudata.org could always use more Germans. Cat's axolotl looks significantly different to your photographs - you seem to be going by the eyes. I was not using them at all. Eye cloudiness can mean nothing or something and is not a reliable diagnostic symptom.
 

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If he's eating then he should recover. Unless he has fungus I would lay off the salt baths - they can do more harm than good.

He's not metamorphosing so don't worry about it. If you want to know more about that there are threads on the forum and a page about metamorphosed axolotls on the axolotl site.

His gill filaments will grow back but it's unlikely that the full branches will ever grow back.

Where in Ireland are you? I am from Dublin but I moved to the US 3 years ago.


Thanks john im from N.Ireland but living in portarlington now and i must say i like your web sit:D
 

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Thanks for offering your assessment Nessi - it's always good to have more than one opinion and person trying to help, and I definitely think Caudata.org could always use more Germans. Cat's axolotl looks significantly different to your photographs - you seem to be going by the eyes. I was not using them at all. Eye cloudiness can mean nothing or something and is not a reliable diagnostic symptom.

I´m sorry if it sounded a bit agressive.
With your statement about not using the look of the eyes, your position now is understandable for me. My pictures were only relating to the eyes. Maybe I should have said this clear.
If there is any interest about pictures or the development of the axo i meant, writing about metamporphosis, i can (if it´s allowed) put a link.

Best regards,

Julia
 

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I see no harm in hearing more about metamorphosing axolotls. There are several threads on this forum with photos showing metamorphosing and metamorphosed axolotls too but more is always better.
 

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Thanks john im from N.Ireland but living in portarlington now and i must say i like your web sit:D
Thanks for the kind words. Every once in a while we get someone in Ireland here but it's rare for them to post. Best of luck with your axolotl.
 

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The board you're linking requires people to register to access it. I doubt many will go to that trouble :/.
 

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Oh... right. I´m logged in every time. So I forget it.
Maybe I will ask the owner of the photographs if i´m allowed to post the pictures and a briefing.
 

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Wow!! :eek:
That's incredible... did you do something to make it metamorphose... or it just did it by itself?

I thought it wansn't nice metamorphosed, but after watching those pictures, I've changed my mind...:eek:

Good luck with it!!
Take care
 

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So does anyone know if morphing has a genetic component? If you breed this guy with a regular female do a larger percentage of the offspring morph?
 

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Can I just ask - in Morphed axies does the behaviour change much ? I always wondered if they would move the same amount / at the same speed as an "un" morphed axie ?
 

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They become like tiger salamanders. Have a look for videos of tigers moving on youtube.
 

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    Oh, I just realized you said you do 100% water changes everyday. He has been in the tub with water changes this whole time right?
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    I don't have the other parameter, I didn't get the testing kit because I thought it wasn't necessary since I do daily changes
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    He spent 15h in my tank, then I took him out when I was told he was too small to be in a tank with sand, he's been in a tub since then
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    Thank you for helping me
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    I use Prime to condition the tub water...
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    I don’t believe you need other ones either since you are doing 100% water changes and theres no filter, hence there being no cycling
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    Would a low pH have that effect on him?
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    i use prime as well, thats def the best one I have used. I’m thinking maybe you are right about the pH
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    Ok, I'll go to the pet store this afternoon to get some pH up
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    one second, let me do some research
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    ok, thank you so much
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    Okay so what I found is lower pH can bring on the symptoms ur lil guy is having. Your pH isn’t too too low, but it is lower then recommended so it’s possible having him exposed to a low pH for an extended amount of time has caused him to be really stressed out and stopped eating. Is your tank with the sand still set up and running? And if so, what is the pH in that tank? I’m thinking a filtered tank might be the best for him, but still leave him in the tub until he seems to be improving. Could you send me a picture of the sand and of your little guy? I put my girl on sand when she was still fairly small and it is normally fine if the sand is fine.
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    Poor baby, this is all my fault.
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    if the tank isn’t set up, that’s okay. I would recommend today going and getting an air stone to put in the tub that hes currently in. Creating more aeration in the water can increase pH. You can also add 1 teaspoon of baking soda very slowly for 5 gallons of water to help. I don’t know much about the baking soda thing and I’m not sure how completely safe it is. This might help explain it a little better How to adjust the pH in your aquarium
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    The tank is still running, I am cycling it (for 2 weeks) with guppys
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    Probably too soon, I read it take 6-8 weeks to cycle
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    How can I upload a pic?
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    hey! Don’t blame it on yourself. It happens. Is this your first axie? I’m a newer owner as well if so (I’ve had mine since Oct). I know how scary it can be
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    He's my first yes...
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    if you have the API water test kit, check all the perimeters in the tank. We can check the cycling process with the perimeters. And I’m actually not sure how to upload a pic lololol I thought it would be easier but I tried it myself and now I’m confused! It says to attack a link, I’m not sure how that works
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    Dont beat yourself up over this, your little guy will be ok 😊
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    I will do that for sure this afternoon! I really hope he pulls through :( He's so freakin cute
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    Thanks for your help :)
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    You’re so welcome! Keep a close eye on him and try to offer food a couple times a day. Maybe try some pellets too for a different smell, might get him interested. Keep me updated!
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    Will do, thanks!
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