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I have been told that most Axolotls in captivity come from six picked up by some french bloke in 1976. Check the web for it but couldn't find much info. Does somebody know more about the subject?
 
According to my book (Keeping Axolotls by Linda Adkins)

"The first recorded specimens kept in captivity are 6 that were taken from the wild by French Zoologist Auguste Dumeril in 1863. Virtually all captive Axolotls are descended from these 6 specimens"

I think I have linked to Wiki for you below

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auguste_Duméril

Hope that helps!
 
According to my book (Keeping Axolotls by Linda Adkins)

"The first recorded specimens kept in captivity are 6 that were taken from the wild by French Zoologist Auguste Dumeril in 1863. Virtually all captive Axolotls are descended from these 6 specimens"

I think I have linked to Wiki for you below

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auguste_Duméril

Hope that helps!

That is not correct. Axolotls have been imported from the wild numerous times. They are very scarce in the wild now and they are very rarely imported today.
 
That is not correct. Axolotls have been imported from the wild numerous times. They are very scarce in the wild now and they are very rarely imported today.

I'll chalk that up as yet another thing that book is wrong about! :rolleyes:
 
The quote is not that far off, until the introduction of melanoid and collections into the captive population in the 1970's it was a correct and accurate reflection of the european, and probably the world captive population.

The statement does not say entirely descended, just descended. My guess is that most axolotls are still very heavily derived from these individuals just as all Thoroughbred Horses are descendents of three stallions.
 
My guess is that most axolotls are still very heavily derived from these individuals just as all Thoroughbred Horses are descendents of three stallions.


My guess is that both of those assumptions are incorrect. A quick internet search about thoroughbred horses reveals genetic studies that seem to disprove the 3 stallions myth. I've seen many articles about the introduction of wild axolotl blood lines in the U.S. and other countries.
 
This was the origin of the european stock as described 100 years ago (1911 encyclopedia Britannica)


It is generally admitted that the axolotls which were kept alive in Europe and were particularly abundant between 1870 and 1880 are all the descendants of a stock bred in Paris and distributed chiefly by dealers, originally, we believe, by the late P. Carbonnier. Close in-breeding without the infusion of new blood is probably the cause of the decrease in their numbers at the present day, specimens being more difficult to procure and fetching much higher prices than they did formerly, at least in England and in France.

The original axolotls, from the vicinity of Mexico City, it is believed, arrived at the Jardin d'Acclimatation, Paris, late in 1863. They were thirty-four in number, among which was an albino, and had been sent to that institution, together with a few other animals, by order of Marshal Forey, who was appointed commander-in-chief of the French expeditionary force to Mexico after the defeat of General Lorencez at Puebla (May 5th, 1862), and returned to France at the end of 1863, after having handed over the command to Marshal (then General) Bazaine. Six specimens (five males and one female) were given by the Societe d'Acclimatation to Professor A. Dumeril, the administrator of the reptile collection of the Jardin des Plantes, the living specimens of which were at that time housed in a very miserable structure, situated at a short distance from the comparatively sumptuous building which was erected some years later and opened to the public in 1874. Soon after their arrival at the Jardin d'Acclimatation, some of the axolotls spawned, but the eggs, not having been removed from the aquarium, were devoured by its occupants. At the same time, in the Jardin des Plantes, the single female axolotl also spawned, twice in succession, and a large number of young were successfully reared. This, it then seemed, solved the often-discussed question of the perennibranchiate nature of these Batrachians. But a year later, the second generation having reached sexual maturity, new broods were produced, and out of these some individuals lost their gills and dorsal crest, developed movable eyelids, changed their dentition, and assumed yellow spots,--in fact, took on all the characters of _Amblystoma tigrinum_. However, these transformed salamanders, of which twenty-nine were obtained from 1865 to 1870, did not breed, although their branchiate brethren continued to do so very freely. It was not until 1876 that the axolotl in its _Amblystoma_ state, offspring of several generations of perennibranchiates, was first observed to spawn, and this again took place in the reptile house of the Jardin des Plantes, as reported by Professor E. Blanchard.

The original six specimens received in 1864 at the Jardin des Plantes, which had been carefully kept apart from their progeny, remained in the branchiate condition, and bred eleven times from 1865 to 1868, and, after a period of two years' rest, again in 1870. According to the report of Aug. Dumeril, they and their offspring gave birth to 9000 or 10,000 larvae during that period. So numerous were the axolotls that the Paris Museum was able to distribute to other institutions, as well as to dealers and private individuals, over a thousand examples, which found their way to all parts of Europe, and numberless specimens have been kept in England from 1866 to the present day. The first specimens exhibited in the London Zoological Gardens, in August 1864, were probably part of the original stock received from Mexico by the Societe d'Acclimatation but do not appear to have bred. "White" axolotls, albinos of a pale flesh colour, with beautiful red gills, have also been kept in great numbers in England and on the continent. They are said to be all descendants of one albino male specimen received in the Paris Museum menagerie in 1866, which, paired with normal specimens in 1867 and 1868, produced numerous white offspring, which by selection have been fixed as a permanent race, without, according to L. Vaillant, showing any tendency to reversion. We are not aware of any but two of these albinos having ever turned into the perfect _Amblystoma_ form, as happened in Paris in 1870, the albinism being retained.

I accept there have since been other introductions but a preponderance of current stock includes inheritance from this group of at most 34, maybe even a single female.
 
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