NEED HELP!!!

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katya

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Ok, I'm a bit worried and I don't really know what to do! My Golden Albino female (hasn't been named yet) had a bit of an accident yesterday, and she's pretty hurt I think. This is what happened: I was taking my axi's out of their tank to clean it, I took the other two out with no hassle (they quite like being handled, and going for little walks on a wet tile floor) and when I went to take the golden out she went wild! She jumped out of my hands (still under water though) and out of the tank and landed on the floor. It was about a metre and a bit heigh, she landed on the edge of a tile, and this took a bit of a chunk out of her tail, but this isn't what I'm worried about.I think she landed on her tail, and bent it in half. Iv'e been trying to think of how to describe it cause I can't post photos to show you, and the only way I can think of is that it looks like , when you bend a piece of thick cardboard and it kind of splits/cracks/tears? don't know really, whatever, where you bend it. I hope you can understand what I mean. Anyway her tail is still attached, but only just, its closer to the end of the tail rather than the base (thankfully!) but I don't know what to do. I rang the vet and she doesn't know anything about axolotls, so I rang the pet shop and the lady there is hopeless as well, I know more than the vet and her put together!!! Anyway iv'e put her in a clean bucket with airation and a nice hiding place, the water is pretty low so she doesn't have to use her tail to swim to the top to breathe. I changed the water thismorning and she seems ok, she's walking around and she's eating as normal. She's normally pretty active (normally she's in a bigger, deeper tank though) and swims around alot (using her tail of course) just wondering if it'll be ok??? Any help???
 
You should never take your axolotls out of the tank, even when you clean it. Only if you're chancing them into another aquarium, or moving, or something similar to that, but never in other cases. They don't like it, and it only causes them stress. They can't enjoy any kind of walks on wet tile floor either, because first off, they can't breathe! They have gills like fish, and you wouldn't put fish on walks on floor either, would you?

But this wasn't really helpful for your problem. I don't have any experience from such situation so I can't help- but I hope she'll be okay
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axolotls are masters of healing - i wouldn't worry too much, she should be able to heal herself shortly. if it looks like it might need a bit of help, try bathing her in holtfreters solution, which should encourage healing.

and to add to what miksu mentioned, there really is no need to take them out when you're cleaning the tank. you should only do about a 30% water change every week (or two weeks if you've got a big tank), and siphon up the muck on the floor regularly. neither of these require the axolotls to be taken out, so accidents like this shouldn't happen again
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good luck anyway!
 
Thanks for your posts, but unfortunatly both of you don't have a clue! I don't mean to be rude, but this was kind of a trick (so were a few of my last posts) - just to see if any of you really knew what you were talking about or if you were all just know it alls that don't really know anything! I have 42 adult (sexually mature) axolotls and over 500 young axolotls and and I have been keeping, breeding, selling and treating axolotls for just over 12 years now. I sell them all over the world and am involved in a breeding program, I offer advice to anyone who needs it and it has just come to my attention that there are groups like this one that offer advice, but don't really know what they are talking about! This can be quite dangerous, not to mention very deceptive, and yes i know that i was being deceptive. Anyway katy you sound like you know what your talking about to a certian degree, bathing her in holtfreters solution would be a good idea. But about not taking them out of the water??? Miksu, you said, "They have gills like fish, and you wouldn't put fish on walks on floor either, would you?" Yes they do have gills, but they also have lungs!!! they are not like fish at all, in anyway except that they can swim!!! Mature axi's have fully functional lungs as well as gills, they breathe air as well as oxygenated water. Most healthy axolotls will swim to the surface periodically to breathe air, and if they have a chance to sit on somthing out of the water, like a rock ledge or somthing they will actually climb out of the water themselves, and only go back underwater when their skin drys out. So yes in a way it is dangerous to take them out of the water for periods longer than 2 or so minutes, because their skin dries out and this will hurt them, but it is quite safe to handle them if you have clean hands (make sure there is no soap residue on them) and you hold them in the propper manner. You should never take an axolotl out of the water and hold it in mid air, they are very strong and very slippery! makesure you have a bucket or other container under them, cause we don't want any accidents now do we! Any way you'll be hearing from me quite regulary from now on!
 
katya, i'm glad you're around to give advice, like we all are. 'tests' like these, however, are unnecessary and serve no purpose other than to make you feel like you know more than us.

as you said, axolotls will only survive out of water for a few minutes, but the question here was why you were taking her out to begin with (in your 'theoretical' story). there is no need to, that's all we were saying. i myself put my hand in the water to pet and let my axies sit in my palm, so i know it's safe as long as you have clean hands, as you have said.

all i have learnt about axolotls i have read about on the net at sites such as caudata.org and the indiana axolotl colony site, and of course through my own experience.

there really is no need to 'test' us like this, nor is reacting the way you have going to engender any sort of community feeling towards you.
 
Most adult axies have rudimentary and supplimental lungs, but they are not fully functional, hense the gills. If you are "breeding and selling all over the world" scan a copy of your CITES permit. You can always black out things like your phone number. But prove it.

If you've been breeding for 12 years, as said in your other post, and you think that a salt bath is going to kill an animal when used for medicinal purposes, I think YOU are the one that has no idea what you're talking about.

Katy is absolutely right when she says not to handle them and not to move them from their tank. This will stress the animal out.
 
Hi Katya,
How do you deal with CITES when you are selling axolotls all over the world? I'd be interested in importing some odd types. I'm looking for harlequins and piebalds.
 
wow thats a real mean thing to do. and im sure sumwhere on this forum it says sumin like the info isnt garanteed true and theyre not held responsible etc and ppl are only tryner help n its not like theyre are givin any info that would actually harm axys even if isnt completely accurate.,
 
I dont see where either advice was wrong. in fact, Miksu didnt even give advice, said s/he wasnt qualified to give advice (which is smart). and Katy's advice was perfectly sound. Only rarely is advice on this forum offered up that is completely unfounded and even dangerous. and other members take it upon themselves to let this be known.

Personally: I think most of what she says is just fluff and bullsh**. I think if she were really a 'worldwide breeder', she'd instantly defend herself and post her CITES permit. But then, I'm just testing her.
 
Katya,

What you have done/said is an insult to everyone that uses these forums!

People give ADVICE to others to help them out not to make others ainmals ill or even worse kill them.

If someone gives the wrong advise, someone will quickly and HELPFULLY correct them with no hard feelings.

People like yourself are not welcome in such friendly and helpfull place's.

And im sure im in the same boat as everyone else when i say i think you are just bull****ing for the attention to boost you ego!

And so much for your CITES permit! We have not yet seen anything as of yet to believe anything you say!
 
Katya,
Please let me know what types of axolotls you have for sale that you can ship to other countries. Wow 42 adult axolotls is a lot. Do you keep them in tubs or large aquariums.? How do you deal with the ammonia from all of those axolotls? I currently have white albino, gold albino, leucistic, wild type, and melanoid. Their is a little variation in some of these and quite a bit of variation in the melanoid and wild type. I'm interested in any other type you might have available. I don't have an import permit but have a friend that does.
Thanks
 
Katya, I am interested in large scale rearing of caudates. Any photos that you could share of the setups (and descriptions of protocols) you use to rear large numbers of offspring would be very much appreciated.
 
When did Holfreter's Solution stop being a salt solution as it is made from the following salts?

NaCl, 3.46 g
KCl, 0.0.5 g
CaCl2, 0.1 g
NaHCO3, 0.2 g (in 1 liter of distilled water adjusted to a pH of 7.4)

Hypertonic salt baths are a well established method to deal with various problems such as saprolegnia infections and help treat for bloat. (see Amphibian Medicine and Captive Husbandry page 326 for instructions on how to make the solutions).

Ed
 
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