Illness/Sickness: New 5cm axolotl, not eating much and having trouble standing. Looking for suggestions and encouragement.

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Hi all,
After researching axolotls for quite some time, I randomly wandered into a really depressing pet store while killing time and found that they had one tiny axolotl in a large tank and in seemingly poor condition. His tank had a strong water current in it and gravel substrate, and his gills were rather bare. He looked so sad... a week later I went back to get him in the hopes of maybe giving him a better chance at life.

It's been three days. He mostly stayed still on the first day, and on the second day (last night) he seemed to take a rapid turn for the worst. He hasn't eaten much, and hadn't defecated anywhere that I noticed. He would stay still for a long time before occasionally just sort of... tipping over, at which point he seemed to startle himself, swim for the surface, and then sink back down again. Late last night around midnight, I noticed he'd stopped trying to right himself, and would just lie on his side unmoving unless I gently nudged him. I had registered for the forum but hadn't yet been approved, so I had to make a judgment call... seeing as I didn't think he would last the night, I put him in the fridge as described in the forum's sticky post. Today, a little under a day later, he's still alive and at least keeping his balance, but I'm not sure where to go from here... any advice would be greatly appreciated; I'm willing to do just about anything to give this little guy a chance.

I apologize for being wordy, but here are some additional details about the tank. I haven't owned an axolotl before, and I never had any fish other than a couple of long-lived bettas. I bought the supplies for the tank and set it up only about two hours before going back to get the axolotl before the store closed, and I didn't realize that cycling the tank meant so much more than just running the filter for awhile. It's a ten-gallon tank with a rock cave to hide in. an appropriately-sized hanging filter with a secondary bowl to absorb the current of the outflow. I kept the tank two-thirds full, appropriately dechlorinated, and no substrate. Temperatures were running approximately 65 degrees, measured digitally. Because I haven't been able to find local live food small enough for a 5cm axolotl, I've been trying to feed him frozen brine shrimp and frozen bloodworms. He only eats if a piece falls directly in front of him and grazes his mouth, and even then he usually ignores it. Last night he refused almost everything. Prior to putting him in the fridge, I checked the water parameters by taking them to a Petsmart (not the same irresponsible store where I got the axolotl) and then performed a partial change. The ammonia was a little higher than I expected, possibly because of the dead brine shrimp I was unable to remove. These were the complete parameters:

Ammonia 0.25 to 0.5
Nitrate 20
Nitrite 0
Hardness 60
Chlorine 0
Alkalinity 20
pH 6.8

All water changes were performed using dechlorinated water at the same temperature as the tank, around 65F.

When he became almost completely unresponsive, I put him in the refrigerator in a large plastic tupperware and monitored the temperature constantly until it reached a steady state of about 7C. He seems to be maintaining his balance a little better, though is still sometimes a little crooked. Occasionally moving the water elicits some response from him, usually just to rebalance himself a little. He occasionally moves between observations (very briefly once every hour or two with the light off). I've completely changed his water once today using dechlorinated water at the same temperature. So far he has defecated once while in the fridge, very shortly after putting him in, but not since.

In the meantime, I'm keeping the aquarium running, doing partial water changes, and taking measurements to hopefully get it to a state that might be more comfortable for him. I've also ordered some brine shrimp eggs to hopefully give him something wiggling to stimulate his appetite. The tank's parameters (again, currently unoccupied) are currently:

Ammonia: 0.25 or lower (hard to tell with the strips)
Nitrate: (difficult to tell from the strip, the color is brownish and not close to anything on scale)
Hardness: 75
Chlorine: 0
Alkalinity: 40
pH 7

I'm not the best at reading the color strips, but these are my best estimates after several repeated trials.

Please, does anyone have any suggestions for how to watch after him and nurse him back to health? How can I know when it's time to start re-introducing him to the aquarium? Though he defecated once, I'm concerned that he might have eaten a rock at the pet store or is otherwise in a very precarious position because of his gills, but if I have made any mistakes (other than not cycling the tank), please let me know. Thank you so much for your help and patience.

~M

P.S. Given his size and appearance, how young do you think he is?
P.P.S. I know it's a little too early to know if it's a male or female, so I've picked Kimchee as a neutral name for now (though defaulting to male pronouns out of habit)
 

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Hi all,
After researching axolotls for quite some time, I randomly wandered into a really depressing pet store while killing time and found that they had one tiny axolotl in a large tank and in seemingly poor condition. His tank had a strong water current in it and gravel substrate, and his gills were rather bare. He looked so sad... a week later I went back to get him in the hopes of maybe giving him a better chance at life.

It's been three days. He mostly stayed still on the first day, and on the second day (last night) he seemed to take a rapid turn for the worst. He hasn't eaten much, and hadn't defecated anywhere that I noticed. He would stay still for a long time before occasionally just sort of... tipping over, at which point he seemed to startle himself, swim for the surface, and then sink back down again. Late last night around midnight, I noticed he'd stopped trying to right himself, and would just lie on his side unmoving unless I gently nudged him. I had registered for the forum but hadn't yet been approved, so I had to make a judgment call... seeing as I didn't think he would last the night, I put him in the fridge as described in the forum's sticky post. Today, a little under a day later, he's still alive and at least keeping his balance, but I'm not sure where to go from here... any advice would be greatly appreciated; I'm willing to do just about anything to give this little guy a chance.

I apologize for being wordy, but here are some additional details about the tank. I haven't owned an axolotl before, and I never had any fish other than a couple of long-lived bettas. I bought the supplies for the tank and set it up only about two hours before going back to get the axolotl before the store closed, and I didn't realize that cycling the tank meant so much more than just running the filter for awhile. It's a ten-gallon tank with a rock cave to hide in. an appropriately-sized hanging filter with a secondary bowl to absorb the current of the outflow. I kept the tank two-thirds full, appropriately dechlorinated, and no substrate. Temperatures were running approximately 65 degrees, measured digitally. Because I haven't been able to find local live food small enough for a 5cm axolotl, I've been trying to feed him frozen brine shrimp and frozen bloodworms. He only eats if a piece falls directly in front of him and grazes his mouth, and even then he usually ignores it. Last night he refused almost everything. Prior to putting him in the fridge, I checked the water parameters by taking them to a Petsmart (not the same irresponsible store where I got the axolotl) and then performed a partial change. The ammonia was a little higher than I expected, possibly because of the dead brine shrimp I was unable to remove. These were the complete parameters:

Ammonia 0.25 to 0.5
Nitrate 20
Nitrite 0
Hardness 60
Chlorine 0
Alkalinity 20
pH 6.8

All water changes were performed using dechlorinated water at the same temperature as the tank, around 65F.

When he became almost completely unresponsive, I put him in the refrigerator in a large plastic tupperware and monitored the temperature constantly until it reached a steady state of about 7C. He seems to be maintaining his balance a little better, though is still sometimes a little crooked. Occasionally moving the water elicits some response from him, usually just to rebalance himself a little. He occasionally moves between observations (very briefly once every hour or two with the light off). I've completely changed his water once today using dechlorinated water at the same temperature. So far he has defecated once while in the fridge, very shortly after putting him in, but not since.

In the meantime, I'm keeping the aquarium running, doing partial water changes, and taking measurements to hopefully get it to a state that might be more comfortable for him. I've also ordered some brine shrimp eggs to hopefully give him something wiggling to stimulate his appetite. The tank's parameters (again, currently unoccupied) are currently:

Ammonia: 0.25 or lower (hard to tell with the strips)
Nitrate: (difficult to tell from the strip, the color is brownish and not close to anything on scale)
Hardness: 75
Chlorine: 0
Alkalinity: 40
pH 7

I'm not the best at reading the color strips, but these are my best estimates after several repeated trials.

Please, does anyone have any suggestions for how to watch after him and nurse him back to health? How can I know when it's time to start re-introducing him to the aquarium? Though he defecated once, I'm concerned that he might have eaten a rock at the pet store or is otherwise in a very precarious position because of his gills, but if I have made any mistakes (other than not cycling the tank), please let me know. Thank you so much for your help and patience.

~M

P.S. Given his size and appearance, how young do you think he is?
P.P.S. I know it's a little too early to know if it's a male or female, so I've picked Kimchee as a neutral name for now (though defaulting to male pronouns out of habit)
Hello very nice and detailed post! With all required information in it. Your ammonia is bit high and that will be first issue to fix. Looks like your tank is having cycle ish issue which is also not great. I will type more in depth reply from my experience when i get on pc later on today. In mean time do water change :)
 
Hello again,

In my personal experience 5cm is not that small I got mine around that if not less.

1.Feeding
Get some earthworms and chop it in 2-3mm pieces eye to be big enough to fit into its mouth.
Axolotl pellets , again cut/chop down to few millimeters just enough to fit into its mouth.
You would need to drop the pieces right in front of it mouth to get some, I find free fall pieces works best at least in my case , instead of wriggling by hand or w.e

2. You tank not being cycled is a BIG issue. Any amount of ammonia IS bad, and will have negative impact one way or another.

What I would do is keep the axie in the tank and carry out 70% daily water changes. Get yourself a bottle of Seachem Prime and a syringe, this will last you forever and will allow you to do a water changes without much hustle. Prime locks down ammonia temporarily which helps you axie and filter to catch up faster.

To keep the quality of water up try to feed the axie, it eats what it eats and after that just siphon any food left out of the bottom. What i did was feed first and do a water change after i was done.

Meanwhile keep your filter running , ideally you would like to cycle it before it but all things considered it should catch up after some time.

Bloodworms are good but are not very nutritious but still better than nothing. Try to rotate foods and see which works best. Chopped earthworms/red wiggles/etc are most nutritious but not all axies like them.

// EDIT LINK does not work, heres without the img tags
This worked very good for me cut down into smaller pieces:
https://www.aquaristikshop.com/pictures_xxl/125305.jpg
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This, not as good in my option but still aright and allows slight food rotation, altho JBL ones are pretty good to be honest.

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https://img.tortuga-petshop.com/4157-large_default/tropical-axolotl-sticks.jpg

If you have any more questions let me know.
 
Hi all,
I forget where I left off, but wanted to post a quick update. I think he's mostly out of the woods, or at least in a small clearing. I fridged him from Tuesday night to Saturday morning. I took him out because A) I was worried about him being pretty skinny to begin with, even with a slowed metabolism, and B) he was starting to move around a lot more in the fridge, and was a lot more attentive (e.g. perking his head up when I opened the fridge). I transitioned him slowly back to tank water through several changes, and I let him warm up in a small container to see how he'd do before putting him back in the tank. Late Saturday I re-introduced him.
The aquarium has been running its pump for the whole time, and I also added a small plant and a mesh breeding pen around the outlet and inlet of the filter (so that it still gets plenty of water flow but won't let him get too close to it... and the mesh is smaller than what he could get his fingers snagged in). It may not be fully cycled yet... I've been doing water checks almost twice a day and everything's stayed pretty low (none of the spikes I've heard mentioned). I was actually worried about whether the ammonia strips were even working, but a little wee eased my mind. I still ordered one of the test-tube based kits though, because there just isn't much change in the strip color (bright yellow to kinda-bright yellow) between no ammonia and stressy levels of ammonia. I'm going to keep doing about half water changes daily.
Yesterday he explored a bit and then spent most of the evening floating around. I got him to eat one bite of frozen shrimp on Saturday, another bite on Sunday, and a bloodworm before bed. He seemed mostly to eat them because they fell from the sky and startled him. So... not a lot, but it was something at least.
This morning he was sitting on a plant leaf in the water, looking pretty pleased. When I got home just a moment ago, I tried feeding him some more frozen shrimp (thawed of course) and to my surprise, he was able to hog down almost an entire cube piece-by-piece (minus a pile of shrimp debris). Now he's just sort of staring at the shrimp pile waiting for it to move again and looking grumpy... also grumpy when I try to siphon it out. I'm doing a water change tonight so I'm giving him some privacy to hopefully get bored with the shrimp pile and move away from it.
I'm really excited that his appetite was so tremendous today! He seems young but also skinny. I hope it keeps up. He started looking like he was having capacity issues, so I cut him off, but I think he would've kept going at them.
So again, I'm encouraged, but... is a sudden appetite anything to worry about, or is that just the upswing of being ill? Obviously I'm going to be monitoring the aquarium parameters with multiple methods every day for a few weeks until I can satisfy myself that we've established a balanced tank.
Thanks to DSaxolotl for the encouragement and advice as well! I've got the SeaChem coming, along with some sinking pellets, and I'll keep an eye on the cycling.
I'll update if anything new happens!
 
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