Ribbed newt tragedy

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benjamin

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I wrote a longer message but lost it and I'm in a rush. Basically, my newts have the following symptoms to varying degrees: peeling skin, swollen feet, cloudy eyes, bleeding (especially on feet, underside, and edges of peeling skin), and a repulsion from water. Help me!
 
what temps the water? you don't have a heater in there do you..i would say its a water quality problem ,high ammonia or nitrite..what sort of newt are they?...ian
 
sorry just realised (ribbed newt) highish temps may not not be the problem so it must be water quality i would say.
 
well, over the weekend the temperature reached a high of 26º. This tank is my smallest, so the temperature probably jumped more than in my others. It almost looks like the have redleg.
 
its the repulsion from water which makes me think of poor water quality as they are almost totally aquatic as adults. Have you tested it, is it filtered if so when you do water changes do you use de-chlorinated water or water straight from the tap.
 
Well, I took them out of the water, I've got them on damp towels, yet all of them but one (the least symptomatic one), try to avoid even the wet part of the towels being dangerously dry. I dechlorinated my water, but I don't think it could be a problem relating to that anyway. They put up with that water for many changes before this happened. I'm not ruling water quality out as a possible cause of the disease, but now after they've been removed for several hours, the symptoms still persist. Also, one of the newts had died by the time I got back to the tank, I had gone away for a week and returned to find the following scene:

1. The water was clear, but it didn't have an daphnia in it (it had some living in it before)

2. My largest and seemingly healthiest newt (prior to my departure) was dead, floating, bloated from decay, but from it's condition I'ld guess it died fairly recently (this would alter any tests I did on the water). The only potential sign of illness was a large blackened piece of partially shed skin on the back, the underside was also slightly reddenned (only very slightly)

3. The other four newts were huddled onto the turtle dock, one was bleeding quite heavily (thankfully it's stopped). I immediately removed them and set them up in their own dry tanks with paper towels. I put one in water (new water), and it immediately tried to leave, when it was in the water I could tell that it had large patches of loose black skin on it (all of the newts show this feature). As it stands now all of the newts are seemingly stabilised: they're still fairly strong, they're breathing, their eyes are no longer cloudy, and the ones that were bleeding have stopped.

4. The timer which regulated the tanks lighting had failed, causing the tank to be in constant darkness, possibly for the whole of a week, I think that this combined with the warm temperatures may have played a role in fouling the water (the tank is heavily planted), if not infecting the newts.


My current theories:

1. Bad water quality: possibly as a result of lighting failure and warm temperatures creating a good environment for anaerobic bacteria. This weakened the immune systems of the animals and they were opportunistically infected.

2. Newt no.1 dies and fouls water/spreads disease: The first newt dies for what ever reason, fouling the water/spreading its disease and harming the others.

3. Infection gets into the tank: Somewhere along the line an infection gets into the tank.

4. Warm temperature and darkness promote growth of pathogens.


So, That's pretty much all I have to say about their status, and the situation I found them in. I would like to know how to go about treating them, and avoiding future situations like this one. I will hopefully have pictures soon.
 
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When you say "prior to my departure"... how long were you gone, and was there anyone messing with them during your absence?

I'm guessing a combination of #2 and 4.
 
i would say for some reason you have had an ammonia spike which has triggered these symptoms possibly from the decaying newt. If as you say the others are recovering give them more time...how big was the tank ,five ribbed newts would need a fairly large tank...
 
It wasn't a big tank (20G), but they were only juvies, the longest one was at 5 inches. I was contemplating upgrading them, but I don't have a good location to set up the container I wanted to move them to (a large rigid pond liner). I'ld say they're not as bad as they were, but they're not getting better, I can't get them to eat. Nobody was watching the newts while I was gone, even though they were home. I was gone for about 5 days. I'm about to take some pictures of them. Any guesses at what they've come down with and how I should go about treating it (besides keeping them in a dry tank)?

Thanks for your help this far.
 
as long as the are out of the water and we are assuming it is bacterial i would go to the vet and ask for Flamazine cream, he may want to see the newts but normally the don't have much idea. I have used this in the past and its never let me down yet ,i just use a cotton bud to put it on the affected area...ian
 
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