Question: Rocks/substrate for tank

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Hi there. I'm just looking for ideas for my tank. I have three axies with no substrate in my tank. I have a hiding place and some plants, but I've seen beautiful pictures on this forum with large rocks built up in the tank. Two questions, one - where do you purchase rocks that large and flat? The pet stores I've been to don't seem to carry these natural-looking rocks. And two - once I find them, is there a certain type of rock that I need to buy? I've thought about using landscaping rocks, but I'm afraid if they are not specifically for aquariums, that something harmful would leach out of them into the water. Any ideas would be appreciated. Thanks!
 
Hi there. I'm just looking for ideas for my tank. I have three axies with no substrate in my tank. I have a hiding place and some plants, but I've seen beautiful pictures on this forum with large rocks built up in the tank. Two questions, one - where do you purchase rocks that large and flat? The pet stores I've been to don't seem to carry these natural-looking rocks. And two - once I find them, is there a certain type of rock that I need to buy? I've thought about using landscaping rocks, but I'm afraid if they are not specifically for aquariums, that something harmful would leach out of them into the water. Any ideas would be appreciated. Thanks!


Depending on your local area, you could pick some up from a stream/river.

Water smooths rocks out and can make some crazy shapes.

Because though, some rocks/stones can contain lumps of clay, or rock which can leech tannins. (colour)

Usually, it wouldnt be a problem though.
I would suggest after collecting them, boil some water, with some salt. and scrub the rocks with a brush and salt.... ensure that you rinse well.

The salt granules help scrub anything on the rocks, and help disinfect them.

DO NOT USE CHEMICALS!

Rock is pourus and can absorb them, and then leech into your tank..
 
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Hi Caje,

Sometimes its worthwhile asking your local aquarium if they have these rocks. I got mine from an aquarium shop for free. Otherwise, you can always get some flat river rocks courtesy from mother nature. If you picked them up, it would be a good idea to give it a general scrub and sterilise by putting them into a bucket with piping hot water and leave it to cool naturally.

Cheers.
 
What ever you do, DO NOT BOIL ROCKS.


The rock will actually absorb water, and once heated, this water expands....

Small Holes + Water + HEat = BANG!

Ever chucked wet river rocks in a fire....
 
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I find the best supply source is DIY home improvement and garden shops. Ask for flagstone pavers and river rock. Another excellent souce is a gravestone or countertop manufacturing facility. I get scraps from a countertop place locally for free!

I do not recommend using locally found rock from streams and creeks as there is such a high risk of bringing parasites and disease into your collection.

If you do decide to use found rocks, granite is your best choice. It is a very stable volcanic rock that is the least likely to have absorbed chemicals. Sandstone, quartzite and limestone are your next best bet. Avoid all sedimentary rock, especially shale, as these tend to have dangerous naturally occurring hydrocarbons in them.

The safest way to sanitize rocks is with a good long soak in a supersaturated solution of salt water for a week, followed by extensive rinsing and a good long drying period in direct sunlight

To make a super saturated solution, start with 2 liters of tapwater and bring it to a roiling boil in a nonstick coated cooking pot. Slowly stir in non-iodized tablesalt until no more salt will dissolve in the water using a plastic spoon or whisk. You will know you are doing this correctly if you get most of a 26oz(737g) canister of salt dissolved in to 2 liters. Let this solution cool to room temperature. While its cooling down, give all your rocks a good scrubbing with tapwater and a stiff bristled plastic brush (I use the wife's toothbrush for this, but don't tell her...). Once cooled transfer the solution to a suitable plastic container (to avoid being skinned alive by the wife;)) and soak your rocks for a week or more.


As stated above, NEVER boil any type of rock, nor try to sterilize it with the heat of an oven...They can explode and cause serious injury due to rapidly escaping water vapor under high pressure.
 
Thanks for all of the advice. I never thought of going to a business to ask for scraps. I'll start with our local aquarium shop and ask the owner. I never knew that about rocks - that they would explode if boiled! Great advice...
 
Thanks Aaron and Johnny for enlightening us on rocks. Learning is a continual process and im glad to learn something new everyday. (Plus you really can't trust a vet with your pet rock).

Cheers.

p.s Wanted to give you both more rep pts but alas i have to wait till i 'spread' it around. :(
 
There are definately some rocks that can be boiled and some that won't handle it. Here is a list of some of the rock types that will and won't cope with boiling.

Granite.
It is true that water can infiltrate the interstitial spaces between the relatively-large quartz, feldspar and mica crystals and expand the rock when heated. To it’s credit, granite rarely sends shrapnel flying when it cracked.

Quartzite:
will fare a little better, being smaller-grained and more homogenous throughout it’s structure. About 50% of these rocks will survive boiling. When quartzite cracks, it will sometimes explode (but shards never travel more than a foot or so away).

Basalt:
out-performs all rocks by far.
expect about 5% of these to crack with use. But Basalt is one of the safest rocks to boil Incidentally, one can
purchase smooth basalt cobbles in fancy home/yard
furnishing stores.

Nephrite Jade:
green (low iron content) and black (higher iron content) nephrite jade. While it is much harder than the talc/magnesite.The jade that is predominantly black will never fail as a boiling stone.
The low-iron, green nephrite jade will fail often, usually cracking and breaking after only one use. The
talc/magnesite and the black nephrite jade survive boiling well

Talc/Magnesite.
The tan/orange inclusions are magnesite, which is used to make furnace fire-bricks (and is one of the parent materials that metamorphoses into talc). Talc/magnesite will never fail to perform, it holds more heat than even basalt and will take more time to cool down.

All this having been said if you are not geologically inclined and aren't looking to rennovate your kitchen then its probably a good idea to stay away from boiling rocks.
 
Thanks ianclick,

That was such an informative post. I am one of those geologically uninclined type. I can't even tell one rock from another. Should really stick with nice living breathing things. Nice to have this post somewhere in archives or written as an article for future referencing. If you three have not thought of it, why not collaborate and write up an article about rocks - types, suitability in axie tanks, how to clean them, sterilise them safely etc. Would be an invaluable article. I am sure it would grace the pages of caudata culture or axolotl sanctuary.

Cheers.
 
hey instead of boiling rocks i just pop em in the dish washer with no soap or detergent before i salt and scrub of course just to get most of the dirt and stuff off i usually then let em dry and cool to room temp
 
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