Tank has been cloudy for over a month, what could it be??

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You really need to do water changes regularly. Without live plants, the waste in your water will build up to dangerously high levels. It doesn't evaporate, and cycling only takes out some of the waste. Water changes are the only way to keep these levels in check.

Also, many municipalities use chloramine to sanitize water. This also will not evaporate (unlike the old way of straight chlorine gas). It must be removed with a dechlorinating agent.

Some people have had issues with using Britta filters on tank water, for unknown reasons.
 
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You really need to do water changes regularly. Without live plants, the waste in your water will build up to dangerously high levels. It doesn't evaporate, and cycling only takes out some of the waste. Water changes are the only way to keep these levels in check.

Also, many municipalities use chloramine to sanitize water. This also will not evaporate (unlike the old way of straight chlorine gas). It must be removed with a dechlorinating agent.

Some people have had issues with using Britta filters on tank water, for unknown reasons.

Why? There is no waste. It all gets taken up by the filter, which I change regularly. If there were problems with these culture methods wouldn't it have been revealed years ago? And again, I have never had issues using the Brita filter. Unless you think these things are the cause of the current tank cloudiness then I dont really see how its relevant.
 
The solid waste is taken up by the filter, but ammonia, nitrites, and nitrates remain in the water. They don't get filtered out; they are removed through water changes and bacteria. This is almost certainly what's causing your cloudiness. You have so much dissolved waste that it's feeding the bacteria, causing them to multiply exponentially.

Frankly, I'm surprised you haven't had any problems. I'm a little surprised your axolotl is alive at all.
 
I do water changes rarely, maybe every 3 or 4 months. Mostly I just add new water as the old evaporates. Dont see the need to change the water when the filter is catching all the food & waste, and the tank is cycling. Like I've said before these tanks have run fine like this for years. Though I did a major water change recently to try and help the cloudiness, and yes the cloudiness has gotten worse since then.

And I do not use decholorinator on the water, I dont like the idea of adding chemicals to my tanks unnecessarily. Never had any problems using the water after running it through the Brita. Most of the time it sits out & open for a day or two as well before it gets put in the tank.

Well where do I start! :mad:
Evaporation does nothing but concentrate the toxins - topping up the tank will not dilute these toxins much so all you are doing is keeping the toxins at a high level & growing higher. Regular water changes are essential when keeping an aquarium & a well balanced tank should be changed every 2 weeks to keep the balance. Not using a dechlorinator is another thing you shouldn't be doing (in a VERY long list!) to not properly remove chlorine & especially chloramines is again not recommended & normal people don't risk the lives of their animals! To not have been doing the very basic maintenance is fairly appalling & irresponsible. The fact that your axies seem to have coped with such mistreatment astounds & saddens me.

As for growing plants equating to more algae growing... How would that happen when the plants require the same nutrients as algae. When there are planted live plants growing & using those available nutrients there is less available for algae. But then your tanks aren't normal .... They are sewers that are probably higher in nutrients & bacteria than an unflushed public toilet!

I'm surprised you haven't had more health issues with your axolotls & I'm thankful your axolotls have been so resilient but I fear they can only take so much! They aren't exactly huge healthy adults given you say they are 3 years old! I'm saddened that people like you choose to own animals & actually go out of their way to not do everything you are supposed to in order to keep healthy happy animals. It sickens me to know you are happy to let an animal suffer (even if you haven't noticed it!) in water that is toxic & not maintained! To be honest I'm surprised you even joined a forum like this! :mad:



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I have loads of plants in my tank & sustained zero damage from axolotls!
If you've got enough light for algae you've got enough for plants.
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Try giving your filter a good clean inside & out in dechlorinated water or old tank water. Get a toothbrush inside & scrub it well.

Do you use a dechlorinator as well as using brita & distilled water? I'm thinking you probably should as the brita isn't guaranteed to remove chloramines.



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Thats so true, my tank gets loads of algae so much that if i leave it untouched for 2 months u cant see through the glass lol. i grow plants in there that the pet shop says is hard to grow ( the ones with the red and orange leaves). 40 watts only on from 4-10 pm
 
I think you people underestimate how hardy axolotls are. If its so critical to follow your guidelines exactly, then why have I been fine for so long without it, and why is the other tank, kept in the same conditions, not having the same problem? All this stuff you people tell me sounds like conjecture.

Also I would not expect them to be monstrous size since I intentionally keep their food amounts low, along with their temps. I only feed them about 5 pellets each 3-4x per week. Less food = less waste = better water conditions, better longevity, slower metabolism.
Just because I am not an axolotl fanatic does not mean I dont have a good idea of what I am doing and have reasons for keeping them the way I do. And I am still not certain that these living conditions are the reason for the cloudy water.
 
Thats so true, my tank gets loads of algae so much that if i leave it untouched for 2 months u cant see through the glass lol. i grow plants in there that the pet shop says is hard to grow ( the ones with the red and orange leaves). 40 watts only on from 4-10 pm

I only started getting algae when there was direct sunlight on the tanks after I moved to a new apartment. 90% of it went away after I moved the tanks and covered the sides, all thats left is what can be seen in the pics

also lol @ whoever gave me a bad rep. Sorry I dont think the same way you do! We've got some thought police in here

I'd like to thank Nikki for derailing my thread. If you have ideas on things that might help alleviate the cloudy water, I would love to hear them. Otherwise, I am not looking for a critique of my axolotl culture unless it contributes to the issues at hand.
 
I'll try to not come across as rude/mean/bossy, as it's never a good way of communication.

1) I understand not wanting to add chemicals to the water, especially if you don't understand what it does. It is important, however, that there be no chlorine or choramine in the water, because it kills micro-organisms and can be toxic to tank occupants. If the beneficial bacteria die, it can prevent your tank from cycling properly, and thus the bacteria can't deal with the nitrate/nitrite/ammonia build up. A cycled tank is a tank that takes less effort to maintain healthy, happy occupants :) Hopefully it helps if you understand what a dechlorinator is made of, and how it works (the following I found on the net):

"There are many products sold for aquarium use that are specifically intended to remove chlorine. Several brand names include: Prime, AmQuel, AP Tap Water Conditioner, Aquasafe Plus, and many more. These all include Sodium Thiosulfate, which reacts with the chlorine (or the chlorine portion of the chloramine) to form harmless chloride ions. The chlorine is completely and totally removed. This reaction happens instantly. The tap water doesn't need to be mixed with the dechlorinator for any amount of time before adding it to the tank. It's safe to just add the dechlorinator as you add the water into the tank.
There is one potential problem if your water is treated with chloramine. As stated above, the dechlorinator reacts with the chlorine portion of the chloramine. The chlorine is eliminated, leaving the ammonia free in the water. As you hopefully know, ammonia is toxic to fish, even in low levels. So, if you use a simple dechlorinator that only contains sodium thiosulfate, you are solving one problem (chlorine) and creating a new problem (ammonia).

Lucky for us aquarists, our aquarium product companies have a solution. Many of the dechlorinator water conditioners include chemicals to convert the ammonia into harmless ammonium. Look a a few labels. My favorite one, Seachem Prime, states: "Removes chlorine, chloramine, and ammonia". Others that I'm sure handle the ammonia include Tetra "AquaSafe NH/CL Formula", Jungle's "ACE", Kordon's "AmQuel", and Kent's "Professional Ammonia Detox". If the label doesn't specifically mention that it neutralizes ammonia, then don't depend on it to safely treat water containing chloramines."

Dechlorinators are also quite cheap - I paid $8 for a bottle that will treat 500 gallons.

2) Plants will definitely help keep your tank cleaner, as they compete with the algae for nutrients. They also will help with nitrates and A LITTLE bit of ammonia. If your axies are destructive, you can always place them in a pot or yogurt container to keep them safe. Have you tried floating plants? Those can't really be disturbed and will also decrease the amount of light in your tank - axies prefer less light because they do not have eyelids - and less light means less algae that require light to grow.

3) I'll admit, when I was younger, I hardly did water changes with my fish... like you, every couple of months. But then I learned from people around me, from people who have been keeping fish for over 30 years! Their advice may seem harsh, but it's because they're passionate about their hobby, and considering the hobby involves other living things, its important to consider what others have to say :) Anyways, now my aquarium fish are happier, live longer, have better color and more importantly are healthy. Keep in mind that your animal may be sick, but in the wild, sickness is a sign of weakness. It's natural for animals to hide their weaknesses for as long as possible to prevent being picked off. That's why when cats are discovered with illnesses it's almost always too late to completely heal them, because they're capable of hiding it past the point of being able to heal.

4) Hopefully you decide to change your water more frequently and add a dechlorinator. I bet you'll see changes in your axies behavior for the better :) As for the sponge filter, when you clean it, clean it in some tank water in a container by genetly squeezing it out. Tap water will kill your beneficial bacteria and potentially make your tank have to cycle again.

5) I realize some people will point things out strongly, say you should do X. Keep in mind this forum is full of dedicated people that want the utmost best for these critters. They're upset that you didn't think to do your research, however by joining this forum hopefully it's a sign that you care about your creatures too. Just because they're surviving under conditions Y doesn't mean that they wouldn't be much better off in conditions Z, so please take these suggestions to heart, because they're talking from years and years of experience, experimenting, and research :)
 
I've had cloudy water in aquariums before. Like others have said, it's most likely bacteria from poorer water conditions. My suggestion would be:
a) daily water changes of ~20% for a week or so
b) reduce amount of light by either relocating the tank, closing curtains, turning off light sooner etc., as this will decrease number of bacteria that require light
c) add plants(potted and/or floating), as I've suggested in pots or other containers if your axies are destroyers, to out-compete the bacteria for nutrients
 
Hi,
Just read through this thread, and apart from the standard stuff like using something to get rid of any chloramines and having water with some hardness, it struck me that your water in both tanks might have high concentrations of nitrates. All that dissolved stuff and debris will contribute towards a cycle so that ammonia and nitrite are removed but the end product of nitrate can not be removed by cleaning the filter because it is present throughout the water column. Without plants or frequent water changes there might well be rather a high concentration.
The only apparent difference in your tanks is the size of the filter. I might have been tempted to swap them over to see if the cloudiness travels with the filter or stays with the tank. (Actually I would do this if it were my tank)
My last experience of cloudy water was when I put a piece of fruit in my tropical tank and forgot to take it out. It was there for 12 hours. Along with the cloudy water I got both high ammonia and high nitrite readings. It took 4 days of 30% water changes morning and evening to get back to zero. And the nitrate reading went up too before I finished. I wonder if you have something rotting quietly in a corner?


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got some testing supplies, here are some readings:

cloudy tank
ammonia: 0-0.25 ppm,
nitrate: 20ppm
nitrite: 0ppm
hardness: 0-25ppm
alkalinity:0-40ppm
pH: ~6.2

non-cloudy tank
ammonia: 0 ppm
nitrate: 160-200ppm
nitrite: 0.5ppm
hardness: 75-150ppm
alkalinity: 0-40
pH: 6.2-6.8

Also picked up some Ammonia clear tabs that reduce ammonia and remove chlorine & chloramine, and some tabs that have bacterial additive, conditioner & dechlorinator, and pH buffer. I am thinking of tossing in some of the latter for the cloudy tank to get the bacteria moving in the right direction after a 1g water change, and doing a larger water change for the non-cloudy tank.

also today I changed the filter cartridge, and I rinsed out and examined the filter to make sure there was nothing lodged inside it. It was completely empty, though when I put it back in and turned it on again some gunk came out, I guess it was down in the motor compartment. Did not think about the effects on bacterial cycling from rinsing the filter in tap water, but I did that more than 12 hours ago now so if there is an effect maybe it would be reflected in the readings above.

And for the record, I did a lot of research into these guys back when I first got them. I am not a complete newbie, I know how most of this stuff works. I was keeping them "by the book" for a while but due to life getting in the way I started reducing tank maintenance, and since they did not react adversely I didnt see any reason to start being "hardcore" about it again.
 
Also I would not expect them to be monstrous size since I intentionally keep their food amounts low, along with their temps. I only feed them about 5 pellets each 3-4x per week. Less food = less waste = better water conditions, better longevity, slower metabolism.

Please :( If you want to be an axie lover, don't have them in tanks like that. It's for their own good.
 
For the record here are readings from the tap

tap water
ammonia 0ppm
nitrate: 0-20ppm
nitrite: 0ppm
hardness: 0ppm
alkalinity:300+ppm
pH: ~8.0-8.4

brita filtered water (old filter)
ammonia 0ppm
nitrate: 0-20ppm
nitrite: 0ppm
hardness: 0ppm
alkalinity:300+ppm
pH: 8.4+

not sure if all of this is relevant, will repeat when I get a new filter for the Brita
 
What kind of test kit did you use? If you have lime-scale, your hardness should read much higher. The GH on my tanks ranges around 160ppm.

Nitrates over 80ppm or so can be toxic. Your non-cloudy tank is cycling, and your cloudy tank is mostly done cycling. Have you recently scrubbed the tank walls, or moved them into new tanks? Rinsing in tap water often kills your beneficial bacteria, so most people do any rinsing in a bowl of tank water.

I'd avoid the ammonia tabs. They'll actually bind the ammonia in a way that makes it unavailable to your bacteria. So if you're attempting to cycle, this isn't desirable. Chemicals that alter pH usually aren't recommended either; they'll often cause wide swings in pH. Since your pH isn't that out of whack, I wouldn't sweat that any. And most things that say they contain beneficial bacteria are bunk. Think about it: bacteria are living things, and how long has that dried tab been packaged in plastic and sitting on the shelf? Even if there were live bacteria in it to begin with, chances are they're long-dead.

And a reminder to all members: the reputation system should not be abused. It's not there for you to slam people who don't agree with you.
 
What kind of test kit did you use? If you have lime-scale, your hardness should read much higher. The GH on my tanks ranges around 160ppm.

Nitrates over 80ppm or so can be toxic. Your non-cloudy tank is cycling, and your cloudy tank is mostly done cycling. Have you recently scrubbed the tank walls, or moved them into new tanks? Rinsing in tap water often kills your beneficial bacteria, so most people do any rinsing in a bowl of tank water.

I'd avoid the ammonia tabs. They'll actually bind the ammonia in a way that makes it unavailable to your bacteria. So if you're attempting to cycle, this isn't desirable. Chemicals that alter pH usually aren't recommended either; they'll often cause wide swings in pH. Since your pH isn't that out of whack, I wouldn't sweat that any. And most things that say they contain beneficial bacteria are bunk. Think about it: bacteria are living things, and how long has that dried tab been packaged in plastic and sitting on the shelf? Even if there were live bacteria in it to begin with, chances are they're long-dead.

And a reminder to all members: the reputation system should not be abused. It's not there for you to slam people who don't agree with you.

The test kits are Jungle Brand, dip-stick kind. Got them from WalMart, the only place open right now.

Have not moved them or done any scrubbing recently. Wont mess with the tablets.

And I do some lab work with bacteria, you would be surprised how hardy some of them can be. No idea about the kind that would supposedly be in these tablets or other products, though.

Just did a 1g water change on the non-cloudy tank, its Nitrates dropped down to ~80ppm... is it normal to get such a big drop?


And a 1g water change on the cloudy tank gives Nitrates of 20ppm.

Are these readings relevant? How soon after a water change can you get reliable readings?
 
Dipstick tests are inaccurate, at best. This is especially true if they're old (and what pet products at walmart aren't? lol). If you have a local pet shop, see if they test water. Many do it for free.

Nitrates are the end-product to cycling, and aren't usually present in tap water. So you should definitely get a drop when you do a water change. Given that your tanks are small, it doesn't surprise me that you'd get a large drop. After all, you are changing 10% of the water.
 
There are no local pet shops, thats one of the reason I've taken such a low-maintenance approach, couldnt even buy more food until about 6 months ago. Also I used to work for a place that did water testing and it was literally just a dip stick test with an electronic camera-reader plugged into a computer, so if dipsticks are inaccurate then I am not sure I would trust theirs to be accurate either.
 
Sorry, we probably should have told you about getting liquid testers vs strips earlier! As Kaysie said, they're terribly inaccurate compared to liquid drop tests.

A cycled tank should have a reading of:
Ammonia: 0ppm
Nitrites: 0ppm
Nitrates:0-40ppm

The following diagram gives a rough demonstration of nitrite, nitrate and ammonia process of cycling (note that concentrations greatly vary, however there's still the 3 peaks). Time frames differ depending on what technique you use to cycle your tank, too.

In case I wasn't clear earlier, the reason why using tap water to rinse your filter can kill bacteria is because of the chlorine :)
 

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Less food = less waste = better water conditions,.

Can you imagine using this "rule" on another pet such as a dog .. Well i wont give my dog as much water today so i dont have to let it out as much, i wont feed my dog as much anymore as less food = less waste less waste = my lawn staying fresher.. Damn irresponsible i u ask me .. Whats the point askin for advice on here if your just going to disregard it!!!! Rant over
 
I'd like to thank Nikki for derailing my thread. If you have ideas on things that might help alleviate the cloudy water, I would love to hear them. Otherwise, I am not looking for a critique of my axolotl culture unless it contributes to the issues at hand.

Derailed..... How so?

My original posts asked you about your water parameters!

What else could it have been causing the cloudiness but bad water quality!
Eventually you got a form of test - even if everyone knows strip tests aren't accurate - but at least you got them! This proved my point that with your nitrates readings at the highest end & that can only be put down to your laziness & conscious effort to reduce basic maintenance, when apparently you do know better.

Seeing the way you keep them & hearing you brag about your lazy attitude towards keeping an animal in an aquarium properly makes me beyond annoyed! It'd be like keeping a cat on a litter tray so it was up to its own belly in putrid waste... People would never consider that acceptable yet you happily keep your axolotls in similar conditions.... Proudly! And you don't think you're going to be condemned for that? Sorry but I cannot hold my tongue when I see such blatant animal mistreatment.

As for rep... I couldn't give a flying f*** what rep I get! I will always stand up to idiots & speak the truth, I will not tiptoe on eggshells trying not to offend..... Pftttt to that! Let others sit on their hands & bite their tongues....
I won't ever do that & I will continue to call a goose a goose!

My greatest hope is that you have woken up to the fact that your levels of maintenance (or lack of) are not acceptable & if you can bring your standards up to a minimum basic level - then I hold hope for your axolotls. It is sheer luck that you have not had more serious issues up till this point & they do deserve better. I hope you can afford them that basic right - a healthy environment & I hope they reward you with long healthy lives.



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