Caudata.org: Newts and Salamanders Portal

Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!
Did you know that registered users see fewer ads? Register today!

A BIT OF A BAD DAY

mike

Active member
Joined
Jun 17, 2003
Messages
1,622
Reaction score
0
Location
Dorset, England.
For years now I have sourced live bloodworm, destined for the angling shops for livebait. They are imported from the Netherlands I believe, and wrapped in damp newspaper, and in this state keep very well for 2-3 weeks in the fridge.
Yesterday I purchased some from my usual supplier, and proceeded to feed various aquatic newts, and also larvae.
Everything that was fed with the bloodworm has died within 12 hours of ingesting them.
The bloodworm was fresh and clean, and looked perfectly normal in water.

BE WARNED!!!!!!!
 

pollywog

New member
Joined
May 3, 2004
Messages
308
Reaction score
1
Location
Malvern, Worcestershire, England
Sorry to hear of your loss Mike.
I believe the majority of live bloodworm sold here in the UK are cultured commercially in the Netherlands I know the ones I use are, and they are probably all from the same farm. I haven't ordered yet this week, think I might leave it a week or two.
 

mike

Active member
Joined
Jun 17, 2003
Messages
1,622
Reaction score
0
Location
Dorset, England.
Yes I would definitely give it a miss for a few weeks Andrew.
Here is a list of what I did lose:
Adults and juveniles:
4 Ambystoma mexicanum
5 Chioglossa lusitanica
1 Euproctus platycephalus
6 Cynops pyrrhogaster sasayamae
22 Cynops orientalis
6 Cynops ensicauda popei
2 Pachytriton labiatus
6 Paramesotriton fuzhongensis
6 Paramesotriton caudopunctatus
2 Mertensiella caucasica
5 Tylototriton verrucosus
7 Triturus karelinii
10 Triturus a. alpestris
10 Triturus a. apuanus
12 Triturus italicus
17 Notopthalmus v. viridescens
9 Hymenochirus boettgeri

Larvae:
Ambystoma opacum
Ambystoma mexicanum
Pleurodeles waltl
400 odd Salamandra, various subspecies
Tylototriton shanging
Tylototriton verrucosus
cry.gif
cry.gif
cry.gif
cry.gif








(Message edited by mike on January 10, 2005)
 

morg

Member
Joined
Nov 7, 2002
Messages
661
Reaction score
19
Location
Doncaster England
Mike
Im gutted for you mate, but Im also now worried, I didnt see your post earlier, and
Ive just fed most of my newts, n toads on this weeks bloodworm.
I suppose its just wait and see for me now.
 
A

alan

Guest
I've sent Mike a private message of condolence and will do what little I can to help him replace some of what he has lost.

To broaden the theme out (without in any way belittling his losses), I guess this is an illustration of the value of culturing your own livefoods, and the potential problems of buying food in / waterchanges / new vivarium furnishings, substrate, etc.
Let's be careful out there!
 
K

kim

Guest
Very sad to hear of your loss Mike... If the axie eggs I have at the moment survive and I need to find homes your more than weclome to them
 

mike

Active member
Joined
Jun 17, 2003
Messages
1,622
Reaction score
0
Location
Dorset, England.
Andrew,
I did buy the bloodworm from an angling shop, so they were sold as 'groundbait', and not for feeding captive newts. I don't think that my insurance company would believe me either, if I described my animals as 'fixtures and fittings'.
Thanks for your thoughts anyway.
happy.gif
 
J

jeffrey

Guest
I am very sorry to hear of your sad loss Mike.
Thank you for your timely warning relayed to me through Morg.
 
J

jesper

Guest
I don't know what to say...
You certainly have my sympathy Mike. So sorry.
 
P

pin-pin

Guest
Wow Mike, that's terrible. I'm so sorry.

Do you know if it was bacteria or chemical contamination in the bloodworm batch that killed all those animals?
 

mike

Active member
Joined
Jun 17, 2003
Messages
1,622
Reaction score
0
Location
Dorset, England.
Thank you all for your kind thoughts, and offers of help, both on and off site....very much appreciated.

Pin-pin...I don't know the cause, on reflection I should have kept a few corpses for analysis.
 
J

john

Guest
Mike, that is devastating.

I know it's not much, but I can help a little.

I can replace your Cynops ensicauda popei - it so happens I have several from 2 batches that are looking for new homes, all grown on quite well. You're acquainted with both batches.

I will also send verrucosus juveniles in the spring if you would like them. Just tell me how many you would like.

All free, and no postage costs either.
 
A

anthony

Guest
hi mike
i have some young c.orientalis i will send to you next same as john all free.
tony.
 
J

jeffrey

Guest
Hi Mike

I have some pleurodeles larvae ( waltl ) when they morph I will send you some of those if you wish.
 
E

edward

Guest
Just a question here,
When I see the word bloodworm, I assume its the red midge larva of the genus Chiromonus. This is too small to use a fishbait. The same goes for Tubifex which are often called bloodworms in some stores.
Do you have a better identification than bloodworm as this is where the answer may be held?

Ed
 
J

john

Guest
Ed - that is what Mike's talking about. I think course anglers probably use them to get the fish going.
 
J

jeffrey

Guest
As a one time angler bloodworm are used as bait. Some of the hooks available to anglers are so small you would not believe it. I certainly could not hand tie one to line. They are used as groundbait too.

They have been banned from use on many fisheries and match waters as giving the user an unfair advantage.

Don`t stone me for being a one time angler. The emphasis is having been.
 
General chit-chat
Help Users
  • No one is chatting at the moment.
  • PvH:
    Hi
    +1
    Unlike
  • PvH:
    I've advertised my CB alpine newts for sale UK but no offers so far. I'm looking for a carer/enthusiast so I put a price to deter people who might not be serious about the responsibilities of the undertaking but how do I find a genuine enthusiast who will take over care? I'm not looking for money, just a good home for the newts.
    +2
    Unlike
  • FragileCorpse:
    Hey guys, its way too hot where I live right now. Temperatures 40 degree celcius outside, making it like 30 degrees inside. Ive got ice packs on my yellow spotted salamanders hidey rock, he acts like he hates it though. Am I keeping him too cold? I think my temp gauge might be messed up, or at least in the wrong spot. I put the tank temp gauge in the top left corner of his large tank, where it says its 80 degrees fahrenheit, which I am aware is too hot, which is what makes me put the ice packs on his rock at the bottom of the cage, but the bottom of his cage feels a lot cooler tha 80 degrees. Should I move my temp gauge down to the bottom corner where he hangs out the most? Should I get a soil temperature probe so I can tell what temperature the soil that hes laying on is?
    +1
    Unlike
  • FragileCorpse:
    Because his soil is certainly not 80 degrees fahrenheit, and I dont want to freeze the poor bugger with ice packs if he really doesnt need them. Hes been doing fine, but Im just so stressed because I cant get ANy information on how to handle this little guy. Theyre illegal to keep without a permit, but this one would not have survived without my intervention. So I cant call and ask anyone for help. If theres a betetr site than this one, I sure havent found it. But I never get any replies here. We are all just asking questions and getting none answered basically. Its really frustrating as I just want to help this little dude be happy and healthy. All I can get him to eat is potato bugs as well. I cant find anything else that he will eat. Is that even okay? :/ hes been eating strictly those since may first.
    +1
    Unlike
  • FragileCorpse:
    Does ANYONE know of a site more active than this where I can get my questions answered? My little bud needs help and Im just not getting it here.
    +1
    Unlike
  • FragileCorpse:
    Alright well I bought a bunch of stuff for his tank and hope it helps. Im getting extremelty frustrated that bI cant get an answer. Guess buddies just gonna have to die or some shit. like wtf why cant I get any help.
    +1
    Unlike
  • Captive Bread:
    I'm afraid this is the largest and most active community for this kind of information, probably on the entire internet. That said, we are still small overall. We can't help you all of the time. We do offer you support and have answered your questions in the past so I feel it's very impolite to lose patience with us.
    +1
    Unlike
  • Captive Bread:
    Second of all, was you who said you wild caught your salamander? And had Authorities threaten to retrieve it from you?
    +1
    Unlike
  • Captive Bread:
    Third of all, assuming thats the case, no one seems to want to face the reality that these animals come from climates and microenvironments where they need to be kept cool. If you can't hack, then release it where you pulled it from.
    +1
    Unlike
  • FragileCorpse:
    he was dying outside. SO SORRY i was nice enough to save him. can i even release him in wetaher thats 40 degree celcius? will he not just die outside because he cant dig through the hard ground?
    +1
    Unlike
  • FragileCorpse:
    The ONLY reason I spent 500 dollars on this thing was to keep him alive. thats IT. He was completely dry with cracked skin and couldnt walk and I nursed him back to health. Now I should just throw him outside on the hard baked ground where I found him? in my driveway? Really dude?
    +1
    Unlike
  • FragileCorpse:
    I am losing patienc ebecause I care. Because I cant get any answers in any length of time that will actually benefit him. He'll only eat potato bugs, I just want him to have good rest of his life. Thats IT. So dont act like I went out an dillegally trapped some poor salamander out of the wild for fun cuz I wanted one.
    +1
    Unlike
  • FragileCorpse:
    I am very sure he was just trying to pass by, because he certainly cant dig ANYWHERE in the soil ANYWHERE near where I live. So I cannot just release him in 40 degree celcius on the super hard baked ground where theres no shelter and no food and now ater to be seen for miles. I dont see how that wioll help him at all.
    +1
    Unlike
  • John:
    @FragileCorpse, Watch your language please.
    +1
    Unlike
  • FragileCorpse:
    What did I say sorry? What word?
    +1
    Unlike
  • FragileCorpse:
    Sorry youre going to have to explain to me john becaue Ive reread what I wrote here and Im not seeing it,
    +1
    Unlike
  • FragileCorpse:
    Ill certainly apologize for using it, but to not use it I need to know what it is is all.
    +1
    Unlike
  • ShawnJPN:
    Hello all
    +1
    Unlike
  • ShawnJPN:
    What's the night shift looking like
    +1
    Unlike
  • Captive Bread:
    Lots of contemplating life for me. What about you?
    +1
    Unlike
  • ShawnJPN:
    Same thoughts reduced to bytes on a website
    +1
    Unlike
    ShawnJPN: Same thoughts reduced to bytes on a website +1
    Top