Hi

omri

New member
Joined
Sep 20, 2011
Messages
6
Reaction score
0
Points
0
Country
Israel
Display Name
omri
Hello everybody!!!!!
I have 15 paddle tail and i want to breed them.
How can I know male/female?
can I breed more then couple together?
 

Attachments

  • DSCF6628.jpg
    DSCF6628.jpg
    90.2 KB · Views: 672
  • DSCF6658.jpg
    DSCF6658.jpg
    103.5 KB · Views: 308
  • DSCF6685.jpg
    DSCF6685.jpg
    86.1 KB · Views: 412
  • DSCF6663.jpg
    DSCF6663.jpg
    84.3 KB · Views: 659
  • DSCF6671.jpg
    DSCF6671.jpg
    94.1 KB · Views: 353
  • DSCF6633.jpg
    DSCF6633.jpg
    76.7 KB · Views: 660

Azhael

Site Contributor
Joined
May 7, 2007
Messages
6,645
Reaction score
93
Points
0
Location
Burgos
Country
Spain
Display Name
Rodrigo
You have more than paddletails, there is a chinese firebelly (Hypselotriton orientalis) in there too. Very bad mix, to tell you the truth. Hypselotriton are very non-agressive newts while paddletails can be extremely territorial and deadly agressive. If something goes wrong, the chinese firebelly may be injured or killed.
Are all the 15 newts in the same tank?
They look smallish to me, and perhaps they are juveniles, but still, sooner or later, among 15 paddletails, there is going to be trouble. It´s sometimes impossible to keep two together, let alone hope for 15 to share space.

As for sexing, the male´s cloaca while engorge during the breeding season after a cold period, blue spots will appear in the tail, too.
 

omri

New member
Joined
Sep 20, 2011
Messages
6
Reaction score
0
Points
0
Country
Israel
Display Name
omri
First thank you for your response.
The pic with the chinese firebelly old,and now i have only paddle tail.
I have upload a pic of the tank,you think that it small for 15 ?
about the breeding,I need 4c temperature,can i use a container and put it in a refrigerator for a cold period.
I am really want the breed this species and i thank you for your help.
 

Attachments

  • DSCF6686.jpg
    DSCF6686.jpg
    81.3 KB · Views: 266
  • DSCF6688.jpg
    DSCF6688.jpg
    113.4 KB · Views: 317

Yahilles

New member
Joined
May 24, 2007
Messages
529
Reaction score
21
Points
0
Age
27
Location
Poznań, Poland
Country
Poland
Display Name
Janusz Wierzbicki
How long do you have them? Do they stay that small, or you acquired them recently?
The tank is definetely overcrowded, when they get agressive (and your animals look like juveniles, so they probably are yet to start acting so) there will be a bloodbath in your tank. The aquarium looks like it's 80cm long or so, not that big then. Especially for 15 newts...

To breed them you don't need just to put them in 4'C for a while, they need constant low temps below 15 also DURING the breeding period. Not to mention that they require water movement and a suitable spot for the female to make a nest.
 

Azhael

Site Contributor
Joined
May 7, 2007
Messages
6,645
Reaction score
93
Points
0
Location
Burgos
Country
Spain
Display Name
Rodrigo
I don´t mean to be cruel, but that tank is a disaster in several ways....
Way too small for 15 paddletails, no strong current, barely a hiding place, waaaaaaaay too much substrate (and a bad choice of substrate too)...That´s simply not going to work.

I honestly don´t know what to recommend....the way i see it you´ve put yourself in a very complicated situation that has no easy solution. I would separate the paddletails in smaller groups, but that can mean having 5 different containers, which probably shouldn´t be smaller than 60l each. You also need to have at the very least one decent hiding place per animal, plenty of visual barriers and a good, strong current.
The substrate is a hazard as it can be swallowed and it also looks like it´s a bit sharp. Fine sand would be a much better choice, or even better (for feeding and cleaning purposes) no substrate. Also, the substrate should be no deeper than an inch. The way you have it it´s going to cause serious trouble sooner or later as the deeper areas become anoxic and anaerobic bacteria start to flourish.

I´m sorry to be so negative, but you really need to change things.

This is probably not what you want to hear but your chances of ever breeding them are almost non-existent. Very, very few people ever succeed in getting females to lay eggs, and of those people, no more than a handful wordlwide succeed in hatching them and rearing the larvae. No one i know has ever succeeded in raising them to adulthood.
It´s a very difficult species to breed, even more so to raise succesfully. With your current situation, you can forget about it, they won´t breed.
 
Last edited:

omri

New member
Joined
Sep 20, 2011
Messages
6
Reaction score
0
Points
0
Country
Israel
Display Name
omri
You are not cruel just help me and I thank you for that,I am going to read everything you write and make it better and upload pic that you can check it.
Thank you so much for your help.
 

Azhael

Site Contributor
Joined
May 7, 2007
Messages
6,645
Reaction score
93
Points
0
Location
Burgos
Country
Spain
Display Name
Rodrigo
It´s refreshing to see someone taking criticism so well. You are doing the right thing by trying to learn more about them and seeking advice. Good luck!

Make sure to check this caresheet:
http://www.caudata.org/cc/species/Pachytriton/Pachytriton.shtml
You will find most information under the name Pachytriton labiatus, although that´s now an incorrect name. Your animals are probably Pachytriton granulosus, if FrogEyes drops by he may be able to give you a more definite ID.

By the way, so that not everything is so negative :D, the belly on one of the newts in picture 4 is absolutely stunning!
 

omri

New member
Joined
Sep 20, 2011
Messages
6
Reaction score
0
Points
0
Country
Israel
Display Name
omri
I am already take out 5 newts and I left "only" 10,I search for hiding places and fitting plants,if you have link to picture that show the that it Should be I appreciate it.
thank you.
 

AngieD

New member
Joined
Sep 20, 2011
Messages
388
Reaction score
5
Points
0
Location
Cheshire
Country
England
Display Name
Angie
You can improvise hiding places using plant pots on their side. Make sure there is at least 1 hiding place per newt
 

Kaysie

Site Contributor
Joined
Mar 10, 2003
Messages
14,466
Reaction score
98
Points
0
Location
North Dakota
Country
United States
Display Name
Kaysie
I don't think you completely understand the situation. This species is extremely aggressive to their own kind. If you keep more than a few (like, less than 5) in a tank that size, they will end up killing each other.
 

kay

Member
Joined
Jan 31, 2011
Messages
124
Reaction score
6
Points
18
Location
Toronto
Country
Canada
Display Name
The Newtiest Girl
I have to agree with Kaysie. I have had experience with 3 in a fairly large tank and it didn't go very well... you should really consider the amount of animals to keep.
 

omri

New member
Joined
Sep 20, 2011
Messages
6
Reaction score
0
Points
0
Country
Israel
Display Name
omri
For kaysie with love...
 

Attachments

  • DSCF6690.jpg
    DSCF6690.jpg
    76.7 KB · Views: 243
  • DSCF6693.jpg
    DSCF6693.jpg
    71.7 KB · Views: 234
  • DSCF6697.jpg
    DSCF6697.jpg
    123.6 KB · Views: 333
  • DSCF6707.JPG
    DSCF6707.JPG
    116.3 KB · Views: 239
  • DSCF6710.JPG
    DSCF6710.JPG
    115.7 KB · Views: 246
  • DSCF6711.JPG
    DSCF6711.JPG
    114.2 KB · Views: 233
  • DSCF6750.jpg
    DSCF6750.jpg
    114.5 KB · Views: 213
  • DSCF6753.JPG
    DSCF6753.JPG
    117.1 KB · Views: 239
General chit-chat
Help Users
  • No one is chatting at the moment.
  • Anxious Axie Mom:
    Hello, I need some help please ASAP. All bets are closed. I just posted a thread
    +1
    Unlike
  • Anxious Axie Mom:
    Under sick axolotls
    +1
    Unlike
  • HakuandCoral:
    Do all impacted axolotls float? I'm worried about my two juvenile axolotls as they both have bloated stomachs and I have some plant substrate in my tank. The substrate is very small and breaks apart easity but could this still cause impaction? They are not floating at all and still eat a lot. I've been feeding them bloodworms.
    +1
    Unlike
  • Chat Bot:
    xxianxx has left the room.
    +1
    Unlike
  • SunnyAxies:
    I have a question, I’m looking into getting one or two Axolotls and I don’t know if I should just get one or get two. Planning to get them as eggs.
    +1
    Unlike
  • CrazyForLotls:
    @SunnyAxies, It honestly depends on how much space you have. Two axolotls in the same aquarium would need a minimum of 30 gallons. (at an adult size) If you end up with opposite genders, you would need two 20 gal tanks. Males and females can't be kept together since they will breed and overbreeding the female is harmful to her body. Another factor would be if you think both eggs would survive. Sometimes axolotls hatch with defects and either die or should be euthanized to prevent them from living an uncomfortable and/or stunted life. It's sad, but it's for the good of the animal.
    +1
    Unlike
  • Toothpickthelotl:
    Hi guys I need help relatively fast
    +1
    Unlike
  • Toothpickthelotl:
    I made a huge error, I’m about to cry because I don’t know why I was so stupid. I decided to clean the sponge and other stuff in my filter while I left the filter running. (I took out the parts in the filter to swish around in dirty tank water). Bc I left the filter running, all the gross stuff at the bottom of the filter filled into my axolotl tank. My tank is like brown now. I was trying to unclog something in my filter cuz it wasn’t running right and idk why I left it on I literally don’t know. I tried to take a bunch of water out snd replace it with fresh water but it’s STILL brown.
    +1
    Unlike
  • Toothpickthelotl:
    also my filter is like not running right. It’s not a consistent flow it’s more like little droplets of water. :( I’m so confused
    +1
    Unlike
  • Toothpickthelotl:
    Is the stuff in my tank gonna harm my lotl? Should I just let the filter clear it up? I’m confused
    +1
    Unlike
  • Toothpickthelotl:
    Seems to be clearing up slightly with the filter running. Axie is okay also no signs of distress or anything
    +1
    Unlike
  • MorganeW:
    Hello! New caretaker of a paddletail who is supposedly 24, and seems to have been poorly cared for. Supposedly was fed earthworms or redworms, but every time I've pet-sat for her, she just chomped at the worm once or twice and left it, to be removed a day or two later. Now I have a bigger, clean tank and have been trying mainly frozen bloodworms and brine shrimp, thawed with spring water and fed with a dropper. She ignores bloodworms, goes for the brine shrimp eagerly, but seems to spit a lot out, and ignore most. I'm not sure I can make myself chop up worms (😳) but I want to help her. She also regurgitated an inch-long, seemingly stiff, straight, dried up bloodworm! I don't even know where that came from!!! All help appreciated. Thank you.
    +1
    Unlike
  • Alyssamuniz06:
    Hello anyone that can help! I’m a breeder and was wondering how to make pellets as well as salmon pellets! I’ve seen some recipes around but they contain crickets which I thought were no good for axolotls because of the chitin. The amount taht I have devours 2 pounds of pellets in a week 😂 so any help would be great. There was another lin las well for two other pellets but I’m not sure if it lets me open it because I am in the Us?
    +1
    Unlike
  • Chat Bot:
    Gis has left the room.
    +1
    Unlike
  • Camnp97:
    @MorganeW, Where are you located with that paddletail?
    +1
    Unlike
  • BluFreya:
    Hi guys,
    +1
    Unlike
  • Unlike
  • jnerdx:
    Hey guys.
    +1
    Unlike
  • jnerdx:
    I’m looking for another fire Sal. Any available at the moment?
    +1
    Unlike
  • jnerdx:
    I also want to get a Kaiser newt! 👏🏽
    +1
    Unlike
  • Kstimson97:
    I have had an axolotl hatch from its egg it's Friday today and they were only laid on Saturday this little lotl has appeared to lose its egg sack and is swimming in like a circle every now and then is this normal?
    +1
    Unlike
  • jnerdx:
    Super rare but I was looking for an Iranian Kaiser newt. If anyone has any info please send me a PM
    +1
    Unlike
    jnerdx: Super rare but I was looking for an Iranian Kaiser newt. If anyone has any info please send me a PM +1
    Top