Is my Tiger Salamander larvae morphing?

By those pictures it is time to put him or her in one inch of water with a cork island so it does not drown on you. Once the gills shrivel up like that they can drown. Sexing will take a while maybe even up to a year. I've noticed males are longer and less thick than females but that is not a absolute given. I've seen it take almost a year for a male to show a swollen cloaca. That is only way to truely sex them. If you don't know what a Cloaca is it's the chamber into which the digestive, urinary and reproductive systems empty,opening to the outside of the anus. Basiclly you want to see a swollem butt for males. When a male matures you can't miss it on a tiger salamander.
 
Um, I'm thinking your looking at the older pics on the thread?...if you read through the entire thread you'll see that the morphing tiger is already morphed and in a terrestrial set up, happy and healthy. The other one is still showing no signs of morphing, still has long fluffy gills which can be seen in newer photos and the recently posted vids that the original poster has posted.
 
Yea, my morph, has been morphed for a while, and my "non morph" seems to never want to morph.
 
I came home from work this morning to see my morphed t.s. eating a couple of the tadpoles i've been raising. Then i looked around the tank and saw this lil guy!!! It is an alabama tree frog smaller than a dime. He must have morphed out last night. My t.s, has been stalking it all day to avail. I think we may have a new tank mate! There are still 7 more tads that havent morphed yet, what aren't eaten will be kept as tank mates. What do you guys think?

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Great pics, that's a cute little frog...I think he's lucky he didn't get eaten though. I don't know much about tree frogs and I don't know how big the little guys will get but they may not last long in the tank if you leave them in there.

In any case, I can't really tell you whether or not they would be good as tank mates since I don't know anything about them but most of the time mixing species can cause a lot of problems. Both animals may need different requirements that may be hard to maintain in one tank. The majority of people here will probably advise to not mix species. If you'd like to keep the little guy then perhaps it would be worth getting a small little tank for him to live in on his own. I'm sure he'll be a lot less stressed out living in a tank on his own rather then living with a huge tiger that could possibly eat him ^.^
 
They seem to be thriving togeather. The frogs are native here, and so are some tiger sals. I'm gonna leave them togeather and see what comes out of it.
 
Glad to hear they are getting along well together so far. Hopefully it will continue that way ^.^ it sure is a cute little frog.
 
im no expert, but i wouldnt imagine it would be an issue. check to make sure it isnt poisonous. we have grey treefrogs here, and they do give off a toxin that wont kill an animal, but tastes bad and makes them sick. not fatal sick, but like flu sick. temporary.

just a suggestion. i used to feed baby frogs to my african clawed frogs all the time with no issues. though a clawed frog and a tiger salamander are vastly different.
 
Great pics ^.^ they both look happy and fed, especially the morph lol. And my boy loves to hang out on the side of his water dish just like that. He looks like a sun bather lol
 
It's generally a poor idea to keep different species together and this situation is the same. Tree frogs usually require higher temps than your tiger will require. Even though they are native to the same area that does not mean they make good tank mates. In the wild, there is much more room and they live in different areas of the same environment. Keeping them in a tank together is sure to give you problems down the road.

Read this article on species mixing disasters for some horror stories. There are several of tree frogs and caudates.
 
The little frogs will be removed tomorrow morning, and released. The Tiger sal tried to eat them today, and splashed too much water into his substrate making it too moist. He likes it, but i don't see it as benificial to him in the long run, soooo the frogs will be removed and the substrate will be changed when i get home from work. Also my "non morph's" fins seem to be growing taller! Mabey she will stay this way, lets keep our fingers crossed. I also adopted a pair of Cynops orientalis (Chinees fire bellied newts) from a freind, and Caudata member Sanshouuo. They are doing very well in they're own inclosure, and seem to enjoy chopped earthworms. I will post a link to they're thread at a later time. So all is well in my Salamander room! The temprature is a consistant 66F and between the 2 Tiger sals (one morph and one non morph), and the two Fire bellies I'm going thru a 50 count cup of earthworms a week (not complaining as its only $3.50). I also I will be adding a new 55gal tank soon for the "non morph" Tiger sal, and upgrading the "morphed" Tiger sal to a 20gal long. The Firebellies will remain in they're 10gal for the time being. The Tropical fish tank (with tank heater) will aslo be upgraded to a larger aquarium aswell!!! So, look forward to alot of updated pictures of the Salamander room in the next month or so! Thank you all for your comments,and look forward to hearing from you guys soon! Nute.
 
Jackulwulf said:
Great pics ^.^ they both look happy and fed, especially the morph lol. And my boy loves to hang out on the side of his water dish just like that. He looks like a sun bather lol
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Lol thanks. I've honestly thought about cutting the food intake back a little, but they just seem so happy. The morph stops eating when he has enough (usually 2-3 earthworms daily), where as the non morph has to be cut off after about 6-8 earthworms. They seem to be growing in length rather than just getting fat, so idk. The non morph seems to be restless and always moving side to side in her tank anfter her recent growth spurt, so i'm in the process of getting her a larger tank. What do you think?
 
Well I'm not an expert or anything, I only have 2 years experience with my own tiger...who doesn't nearly have the appetite that yours do. >.>;; He's so picky. But anyway, yours are still growing so they may be using up most of the excess calories they get a day. Once they are full grown however just keep an eye on them getting too fat. If they start getting to be really fat then cut down a little. Your morph looks chubby but he isn't fat yet. When they lay on the ground like that, their sides can puff out more and make them look really fat when they really aren't. My boy looks like he's a blob at times lol, but when he walks around or sits floating in his water dish, he doesn't really look that fat.

As for the restlessness in your non morph, hard to say. Perhaps may sure your water is fine..you can probably get some testing kits at pet stores to check PH and ammonia levels and such. How big of a tank is it in? If its getting longer then perhaps a larger tank would cause it to settle down. Its hard to know if everything seems ok with the tank and the water. I know last spring my tiger got really restless in the early months. He would pace and circle his cage, climbing at the glass a lot and not eating. I hadn't changed anything about his tank before it started, I even changed out his coco fiber thinking that perhaps it was needing it but he still did the same. The temps were fine because in the basement here they stay pretty uniform and cool. The only thing I can think that made him go nuts like that was the fact that that summer was incredibly rainy...there was a lot of humidity in the air. He is a wild individual so perhaps he may have felt the need to find a breeding area or something, I don't know but eventually he settled down. This summer is pretty rainy too but not quite as bad as last summer.
 
I'm glad you pointed that out. My morph has also been climbing the glass as he has never done while the non morph swims fast from side to side, and it has been EXTREMELY humid AND rainy here. Thats deffinatly a good posibility. Her tank is a 20 gallon long(30 1/4 Lx 12 1/2 Wx 12 3/4 H). I'm thinking the 55 gallon will give her ample growing room. Do you think she could be feeling cramped, or is it just the seasonal changes in my area making them act differently?
 
Hmm...its possible I guess. I'm not familiar with taking care of them or axolotls but providing a bigger tank for her couldn't hurt. If she settles down after the tank move then you'll know that she was likely running out of space. If she doesn't settle then perhaps it is the season change.
 
Just got off work, going to feed all the little caudates. I hope to post some new pics tonight.
 
Great pics and I am 100% sure that your morph is female. ^.^ I was thinking in the last pic that it looked a little fat but in fact, I think its just a normal sized female. Females get more plump then males do and her tail is much shorter then I've seen on males so I think it is definitely female. ^.^
 
:) maybe so. Wish I knew the sex of my non morph tho.

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