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kaysie

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That would probably be a bad idea. one generation of inbreeding is okay, but two usually brings up some weird mutations.
 
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alexander

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ohhh, i just love seeing these guys i can't wait to get my own.
 
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katy

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have you seen pictures of those frogs and stuff that have been found in polluted waters all deformed? two frogs stuck together, or a frog with two heads, or bloated lumps all over it - just gross stuff that you don't want your pet to live with. (ok maybe this is a bit extreme, but you get the idea).

the other option is they'd just be unhealthy and prone to disease.
 
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mary

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I want one with a leg on it's head!!!! I'll inbreed them a million times to get that!!!!
 
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mik

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I think these kind of deformities don't necessarily start out as a genetic deformity that you can breed for. They are the result of some environmental/external action on the cells of the animal whilst in vulnerable stages. This is quite simply unwanted cell damage. What would happen if these type of beast breed I have no idea.

But I find the idea of breeding for deformity disturbing. Who knows what else is wrong, that you can't see, and that could be causing the animal to suffer. Axies are weird and wonderul enough with out frankensteining them. Shame on you Mary.
 
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mary

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I was only joking mik. I wouldn't do that!!!!

It would be like me making my kids have kids with eachother, then their grandkids and stuff - too freaky!!! Not to mention compleetly wrong!!!!

I'm sorry if you found my last message disturbing - but really it was only a joke.
 
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mik

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Ok but consider you wrist well and truly slapped.

Anyhow on the idea of bad taste jokes I noticed that your eggy progress thread was still called Mary Roses Eggs I was thinking along the lines of a new thread called Mary Rose's babies...Is that too obscure or too dated for anyone else to make the connection...






Rosemary's Baby...for those who didn't get it.




And for those who are genuinely too young it was a 70's film about some woman who was raped by the devil and gives birth to a son. Suppose it depends where you live...
 
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jenny

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even though it might give them mutations it doesnt cause them pain does it? a siamese axy wud be cool? anyone ever heard of one b4?
 
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kim

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Jennie it can cause pain... think about the unfortunate people that have had to be separated due to the bodies not being about to support both bodies...

Its not nice!
 
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jenny

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siamese twins arent an inbreading mutation tho are they? it would look so cool though. i saw a program about siamese twins n there were adults what were fine and didnt need to be seperated. but okies
 
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kim

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No they are not from inbreeding... Siamese twins come from when the fertilized egg divides an extra time to make to 'babies' then the cells doesnt separate correctly and leaves a part of the body joined (this can vary, head, arm, body etc etc).
 
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katy

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even if it's not painful, it wouldn't be very pleasant. can you imagine never ever being alone? and having another creature stuck to you!? ick.
 
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  • Junaz:
    Thank you, I appreciate it. I'll look up ammonia and nitrate lockers, and see if I can find someone who can help me with cycling the tank with her in there. She still is looking and acting ok so I hope everything turns out ok. Thanks for the advice
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  • madcaplaughs:
    Hey @Junaz. It appears your tank is uncycled. You'll need to purchase a source of ammonia (i.e., Dr. Tim's Aquatics ammonium chloride) to cycle the tank with. Dose the tank up to 2ppm (bottle says 4 drops/gal=2ppm. This is false. 2 drops/gal=2ppm) daily until you've build up a bacteria colony that is able to convert 2ppm of ammonia into 0ppm ammonia and 0ppm nitrite in 24hr. You'll want to tub your axolotl immediately and while you cycle as these levels are extremely toxic. To tub, just use a food-grade tub large enough for the axolotl to extend itself and turn around in, and perform daily 100% water changes. Make sure your water is dechlorianted (and make sure your dechlorinator has no aloe or iodine, both of these are toxic to axolotls). If you have any more questions about cycling or axolotls, PM me :)
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  • Chamoxnle:
    My new axolotl enjoys floating. He doesn't seem stressed, or like he's being forced to float. He just likes to chill at the top. Why do some enjoy floating around? Most of my other axolotls are content staying stationary, but this one just continues to move, only stopping to eat. Again, he doesn't seem stressed, and it's not a fretful swim.
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  • MadamePirateOwl:
    Hi, Im fairly new to keeping axolotls. I have to lil buddies that I got a few months back. They were doing fine, up until a month ago when one got fungus in his gills. Took him out to fridge him, then the other guy got it too. I'm currently fridging both and doing salt baths for one (not enough fridge space to keep that much pretreated water for both at the same time). Its been hard to tell if its helping or not and then about a week and half ago one of my axies had a bunch of weird white goop in the water. I immediately changed it, happened a tiny bit again, then seemed to be okay. I had returned him to the tank, but it happened again. Back to the fridge but wanted hear from people who knew more
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  • MadamePirateOwl:
    I have pictures. Tried looking through other peoples questions, but couldnt find the same white goop.
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  • MadamePirateOwl:
    @Kailynom My cousin (who i got my baby axies from) had the same problem. She developed an allergy to the bloodworms she was feeding them and it got really bad. To the point where her throat would close up just being around the bloodworms. Happened within a few months. Be safe :)
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  • madcaplaughs:
    @MadamePirateOwl Fridging is best left to life-or-death situations, and salt baths are unnecessarily harsh, stressful, and abrasive. I'd suggest doing tea baths instead (using caffeinated black tea, where the only ingredient is black tea).
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  • MadamePirateOwl:
    so no idea what the goop is?
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  • madcaplaughs:
    Hard to tell without a photo, but might be algae or fungus floating. Water changes will take care of that.
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  • MadamePirateOwl:
    It definitely came from the axolotl. Looked to be mixed into poo the first time. Can I post the photos here?
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  • MadamePirateOwl:
    Im not actually sure how i would post it. It seems to want a link
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  • MadamePirateOwl:
    Its fairly thick and chunky
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  • MadamePirateOwl:
    (Also thanks for your patience and help!)
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  • madcaplaughs:
    You could always upload the photo to imgur and link it back here
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  • MadamePirateOwl:
    The second image was how it looked the first time, it was mixed with some other poop like stuff. after that its been small and without the poopy stuff
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  • madcaplaughs:
    The second photo looks reminiscent of partially-digested worms, though I've never seen anything like that. Have you checked your parameters lately?
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  • MadamePirateOwl:
    Right now theyre in smaller tubs that i do daily water changes in
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  • MadamePirateOwl:
    I'll admit Ive bought test strips but they havent come in yet
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  • MadamePirateOwl:
    I use Prime to dechlorinate the water, which was recommend by the girl I got them from
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  • madcaplaughs:
    For now I'd tub the axolotl and do daily 100% water changes until you're able to test your parameters
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  • madcaplaughs:
    I'd also recommend ordering a liquid test kit such as the API Freshwater Master Test Kit since strips are generally unreliable and inaccurate.
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  • MadamePirateOwl:
    Okay, thank you for your help and advice :)
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  • k.em:
    anybody growing tylototriton?
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    k.em: anybody growing tylototriton? +2
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