What do i do with them??

Azhael

Site Contributor
Joined
May 7, 2007
Messages
6,645
Reaction score
88
Points
0
Location
Burgos
Country
Spain
Display Name
Rodrigo
So i came back home yesterday after finishing my exams, i set all the aquariums and terrariums at my parent´s house, and decide to go out see some friends and relax a bit after a horrible day of cleaning, packing and moving things. I call this friend and she says "come home i´ve got a present for you"...so i go and....O_O three fire salamanders! She says she bought them in a petshop in Barcelona. So here´s the problem...they are most likely wild caught...and i don´t want them if they are. As far as i know it´s a forbidden species here in spain....as all the other national caudates. I´m sure it´s not legal to sell them in shops even if they are captive bred. There are no papers...not even a bill (some animals here are sold either with the cites, or with a bill that precises their origin).
I´m taking for granted they are wild caught because they were cheap (45euros the three of them). Also i´m almost sure they are fastuosas...so wild caught individuals from north spain was my first thought.
But there are a couple of things that make me doubt. They are very docile, they will let you handle them no problem. Also they ate frozen bloodworms right out of the tweezers. One even tried to bite the tweezers. That doesn´t sound like the behaviour you would expect in wild caught animals . Also they seem to be very hardy, my friend kept them in deficient conditions for nearly two weeks, and for what she told me they were kept in a very inapropiate set up in the shop. But still they ate for her(crickets). I would expect wild caught animals to suffer from a lot of stress, illneses or even die in such conditions. You would expect them to be thin or even starving...not fat and taking frozen bloodworms from the very first day(it took me a couple of months to get my marms to eating frozen bloodworms...but these salamanders will even eat the ones that fall on the moss). All my other caudates are captive bred and i can tell they aren´t half as docile as these ones. All my caudates eat great (specially the dobros) but these guys beat them all.
I thought that maybe they are long term captives...but two of them are pretty young (the third one is an adult), so i just dont know...
If they are wild caught i definitely don´t want them. But then i don´t know what to do with them...releasing them somewhere doesn´t sound clever. Also if they are captive bred, i would love keeping them cause they are very beautiful animals, but i got no papers of them so i could get in trouble if i keep them. There´s a pretty high fine for keeping this species illegally.
Any advice of what to do with them...??? My friend just didn´t know about the laws...being sold in a shop she took for granted they were perfectly legal, and as she knows i love the species she thought it would be a great present...
Oh...haven´t had time to get some pics, i´ll try today...definitely nice looking critters n_n
 

rigsby

New member
Joined
Apr 24, 2006
Messages
649
Reaction score
16
Points
0
Age
62
Location
cleveland
Country
England
Display Name
Ian Rigg
look like fastuosa to me..
 

Jennewt

Administrator
Staff member
Joined
May 27, 2005
Messages
12,407
Reaction score
75
Points
48
Location
USA
Country
United States
Even if you knew the correct locality, it would be wrong to try to release them back into the wild, as they may have caught germs at the pet shop.

You could try asking the pet shop about whether it's possible to obtain papers to keep them legally. But I doubt that this will go anywhere.

Then your choice is to turn them over to the authorities, or keep them and take your chances.
 

Azhael

Site Contributor
Joined
May 7, 2007
Messages
6,645
Reaction score
88
Points
0
Location
Burgos
Country
Spain
Display Name
Rodrigo
I don´t even know the name of the petshop...and it´s in Barcelona so i can´t go and try to find it....
I´m pretty convinced they are not wild caught...or at least they have been captive for a long time. But still with no papers it´s the same as if i had collected them myself...
Would you recomend taking them to the authorities? could i get into trouble? I´m not releasing them into the wild cause first of all, i don´t know their exact origin and i don´t want to contaminate any population...and secondly as you said i could be introducing pathogens. If you could please tell me more about the authorities and how to contact them and what will happen then, i´d be thankful....if not i guess i´ll have to keep them and hope i never get fined :S Damn....always wanted this species...but not this way...
 

Azhael

Site Contributor
Joined
May 7, 2007
Messages
6,645
Reaction score
88
Points
0
Location
Burgos
Country
Spain
Display Name
Rodrigo
took them to the authorities...:(
 

coendeurloo

New member
Joined
Feb 9, 2006
Messages
357
Reaction score
14
Points
0
Age
37
Location
Scharendijke
Country
Netherlands
Display Name
Coen Deurloo
You must feel bad about this Rodrigo, do you know what the authoroties are going to do with them?
 

Azhael

Site Contributor
Joined
May 7, 2007
Messages
6,645
Reaction score
88
Points
0
Location
Burgos
Country
Spain
Display Name
Rodrigo
I wasn´t told...but the guy that helped me and took me there told me that they will probably keep them captive themselves or relocate them to some "special" home. I have no idea if this is true though...but i guess it´s probable since releasing them wouldn´t be a good idea.
 

Farom

New member
Joined
Sep 29, 2007
Messages
23
Reaction score
0
Points
0
Country
United States
Generally the authorities will just euthanize/kill illegal animals unless they're able to give them to a zoo or something.
I would've just kept them and not told anyone about it. The authorities aren't just magically going to show up at your house with a search warrant.
 

ecoreptiles

New member
Joined
Aug 9, 2007
Messages
50
Reaction score
1
Points
0
Country
Canada
If it was making you nervous, then the best thing was to turn them in. I have been on the receiving end of animals captured by or turned in to "the authorities".

Don't worry that you condemned them to death; they will probably end up at a zoo, university, or wildlife education center. Many of the reptiles and amphibians I cared for through my university career were such animals. (Confiscated from a stripper, rolled up in tent accidentally, moved into a town with strict animal by-laws, etc.)

Every choice we make in life presents us with an opportunity to learn from the results. Check how you are feeling about your decision now, and that will help you if you find yourself in a similar situation again. It sounds like it was stressing you out, so I think you did the right thing by removing the source of the stress.

True, authorities aren't likely to raid your house and search for illegal pets, but if someone told them to do it, they would. And that would definitely suck. I guess the thing to do now is put some heat on that pet store and have the authorities make sure they're keeping it legal in Barcelona.
 
General chit-chat
Help Users
  • No one is chatting at the moment.
  • AlexisJG:
    As long as they don’t seem stressed that’s good and I mean hey if their well fed maybe they’ll live long happy lives together.
    +2
    Unlike
  • HalfDrunkToast:
    oh ya they are happy xD every time i come in to my room my Koy betta is like HI HI HI and actively swimming around
    +1
    Unlike
  • Chat Bot:
    Calgarycoppers has left the room.
    +1
    Unlike
  • Nerodia1:
    Děkuji za přijetí. Hledám tohoto obojživelníka, Typhlonectes compressicauda, nevíte, kde ho získat, nejlépe někde v Evropě.
    +1
    Unlike
  • Chat Bot:
    Caudex has left the room.
    +1
    Unlike
  • Chat Bot:
    VEEK has left the room.
    +1
    Unlike
  • Lanalotl:
    My axie is acting woerd he was a rescue as stated in a different post he got better and now seems to be deteriorating again...again all tank conditions are OK and as should be. He seems to have some black dapple like pattern under his bottom lip? Is that normal? And his two back feet have a little wierd growth? Almost? Tiny tiny tiny lump. His capillaries in his feathers also appear darker and more visible. Any help would be appreciated
    +1
    Unlike
  • Lanalotl:
    Hes a leucistic axie
    +1
    Unlike
  • Chat Bot:
    AmphibiGirl has left the room.
    +1
    Unlike
  • Dibgame:
    Hey guys. First time on this forum and im not sure what formatting i should use but hey here i go.
    +1
    Unlike
  • Jadezoey:
    Hi! I'm being in a hard position where I have to re-home my axolotls. I'm moving out and I would like to find them a new home with someone who can take proper care of them
    +1
    Unlike
  • Jadezoey:
    I have an adult wild type and a juvenile leucistc
    +1
    Unlike
  • Unlike
  • BigAl:
    Oops my bad accidentally sent that
    +1
    Unlike
  • Binditheaxolotl:
    @HalfDrunkToastLol
    +1
    Unlike
  • AxieMomma87:
    is anyone online???
    +1
    Unlike
  • Chat Bot:
    Calgarycoppers has joined the room.
    +1
    Unlike
  • Unlike
  • Chat Bot:
    Calgarycoppers has left the room.
    +1
    Unlike
  • AxieMomma87:
    Are you still here
    +1
    Unlike
  • ZayneSantos:
    Is there anyone on who can give me advice?
    +1
    Unlike
  • Max2445:
    @ZayneSantos, What advice do you need
    +1
    Unlike
  • KrabzAga:
    based on this video what type of salamander might this larva be? I suspect either eastern newt or spotted salamander
    +1
    Unlike
  • KrabzAga:
    help appreciated
    +1
    Unlike
  • KrabzAga:
    they are from missouri
    +1
    Unlike
    KrabzAga: they are from missouri +1
    Top