Beautiful species/subspecies guide for Salamandra

[john]

William Jones just recently completed this beautiful piece of work:

http://www.caudata.org/cc/articles/Salamandra_guide.shtml

I urge everyone to take a look and enjoy.

 

[kieron]

WOW well done will that is rellay good saved it to my fav's lol keep up the good work

 

[christian]

Really nice article, now we can clearly see the beauty of Salamandra's.

 

[vicky_rut]

<font color="aa00aa"> Heck!
I thought I had s.s.salamander, now
I am not sure *blushes*
might even be terrestris, not sure now
*starts biting nails* </font>

 

[joseph]

Wow! Great job on that Will!

 

[jennifer]

Vicky, if you do not know the locality where your Salamandra came from, it may never be possible to know with certainty which subspecies they are.

 

[kamil]

Hi,

still there are mistakes in the S. atra part. S. a. prenjensis is not a valid subspecies anymore and the new subspecies S. atra pasubiensis is not listed.

Best greetings,

Kamil

 

[william]

hehe It was only a matter of time before a mistake was discovered

Kamil- do you have any literature on prenjensis? or pasubiensis for that matter! I knew that prenjensis was slightly dodgey but i hadn't seen any articles on it.

thank you for your kind words everyone else

(Message edited by will_j on July 17, 2006)

 

[kamil]

Hello William,

pasubiensis was described in:

Evolution of the melanistic colour in the Alpine salamander Salamandra atra as revealed by a new subspecies from the Venetian Prealps. This was published by Lucio Bonato and Sebastian Steinfartz in the Italian Journal of Zoology, 72: 253 - 260 (2005)

Best Greetings,

Kamil

 

[frank]

Hi William,

Maybe you can add this picture of a S. s. werneri.

 

[frank]

And maybe this S s almanzoris can also be added.

 

[vicky_rut]

<blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!><font size=1>Quoting Jennifer Macke on Monday 17 July 2006 - 04:21 (#POST101270):</font>

<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>
<font color="aa00aa">I see, then that's that, I still have very
cute salamanders

</font>

 

[jennifer]

Frank, thank you for the photos! Will, can you please assemble an exact list of what needs to be changed in the article?

 

[kamil]

Nice that you added Pasubiensis now!

 

[michael]

Hi William,

Maybe you can add these two pictures of S.a.tingitana & S.i.semenovi, here too please?

http://www.feuersalamander.com/imagesboard/tingitana.jpg

http://www.feuersalamander.com/imagesboard/semenovi.jpg

Greetings Michael ...

 

[Blackbun]

hehe It was only a matter of time before a mistake was discovered

Kamil- do you have any literature on prenjensis? or pasubiensis for that matter! I knew that prenjensis was slightly dodgey but i hadn't seen any articles on it.

thank you for your kind words everyone else

(Message edited by will_j on July 17, 2006)

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/11250000509356680

 

[beefsteak]

Allmost looking like the one bernardezi and galaica teratoies overlap so just wondering if iit could hapen in ones home why not?

 

[John]

Not following you John. Can you elaborate?

 

[beefsteak]

Hey ya sorry if thier teratoies overlap in nature why not in my home do you follow?

 

[beefsteak]

My question is why if the spiecies overlap why is there no crossed subspiecies of the two?